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Scenario
Flat roof 5 floors up, 76 photo electric panels installed, balustrade 650mm around roof edge, system requires annual maintenance / inspection.
Best option
1. fit hand rail on inside of balustrade 1100mm (planners may object)
2. fit hand rail on inside of balustrade 950mm with sign-age indicating a hazard
3. fit a "man safe" fall prevention system
opinions please
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The hierarchy of control say fixed guard rails, so it’s the 1100mm option. Only if planning is refused should you consider a man safe system. However the man safe systems may itself require annual inspections.
I was just wondering why can’t you increase the height of the balustrade and what PV maintenance is required, I assume it is cleaning.
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MEden
Fixed guard rails with no exception, surely at 5 floors up is the difference between 650 and 1100mm going to be an issue with planning (i.e. won't be noticeable from ground level). I would like to see how planning could justify their decision based on the hierarchy of controls that should be used if an incident occurred and only the balustrade in place, or were the panels added at a later date.......
Regards
PaulR
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MEden380 wrote:Scenario
Flat roof 5 floors up, 76 photo electric panels installed, balustrade 650mm around roof edge, system requires annual maintenance / inspection.
Best option
1. fit hand rail on inside of balustrade 1100mm (planners may object)
2. fit hand rail on inside of balustrade 950mm with sign-age indicating a hazard
3. fit a "man safe" fall prevention system
opinions please
Why is this suddenly required now?
Surely this would have been identified during the design risk assessments etc. under CDM when this system was designed & installed.
So, back to the designers and installers to find out why they did not comply with CDM, and unless they have a blinking good reason, then get them to fund whatever changes are required for compliance themselves.
Surely this was written into your procurement contract?
Or, did your purchasing people just buy the cheapest, as is normal with these muppets?
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paul reynolds wrote:MEden
Fixed guard rails with no exception, surely at 5 floors up is the difference between 650 and 1100mm going to be an issue with planning (i.e. won't be noticeable from ground level). I would like to see how planning could justify their decision based on the hierarchy of controls that should be used if an incident occurred and only the balustrade in place, or were the panels added at a later date.......
Regards
PaulR
And in that discussion, remind planning that their decision places them in the role of designer under CDM..... I always liked that bit!
Al
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Thamks for the responses - just to let you know no system has yet been installed - the idea of a solar generation system is an after thought on an existing building under going extensive refurbishment
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Right, if it's not yet installed, then you have a chance to get it right!
Your trump cards will be CDM, & WAH regs.
Collective fall prevention over individual.
Requirement to design in safe systems of access for maintenance.
As has been suggested, if the planners object get them to sign such that they are overruling the requirements of CDM & WAH Regs.
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MEden380 wrote:Scenario
Flat roof 5 floors up, 76 photo electric panels installed
MEden, I suggest the confusion started here!
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MEden
Had exactly this issue. New build panels & other equipment installed, designer installed anchor wire as solution. I picked this up when snagging underway. Arguments with designer and CDM-C that this solution was wrong, using Paul's points - collective, preventative, passive.
Took a while but we eventually installed handrail around roof, aluminum, racked back to reduce visual issues (1 story building). Its a bespoke free standing solution not subject to planning.
Job done.
J
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Loads up 'round here.
Only one featured use of scaffold etc.
All the rest used ladders and sweat.
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