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#1 Posted : 14 February 2005 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
This is a serious question, but I feel a little foolish for asking it. I have had an accident report claiming swelling after a spider bite (this is in Ealing, not in Oz or anywhere exotic like that). Has anybody else come across a similar incident, or is anybody aware of any biting spiders in the UK? I do know that Tegeneria gigantea (the common house spider) bites in the USA, having been transported across with early settlers, and that there its bite is painful, but as far as I know it never bites in Europe. Any knowledge or corroboration or otherwise gratefully recieved,

John
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#2 Posted : 14 February 2005 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Mathews
There are a couple of native British spiders that bite, but their bite is not dangerous to a normally fit and well person. The severity could probably be best likened to a wasp sting in the average person.

However, if the condition worsens I would get it checked.

Richard
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#3 Posted : 14 February 2005 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Richard,

The reported injury sounds similar to a wasp sting, caused local swelling, and has since resolved. Do you have any info on what these biting spiders are and on the likelihood of them being found in a Charity shop in Ealing?

John
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#4 Posted : 14 February 2005 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tom Clark
John
I used to look after a large chain of dry cleaning establishments. We sometimes had some tricky customers in clothing just back from holidays - the insects they brought back were also trickier.
With today's easy travel and global climate changes going on we, should begin to get prepared for anything.
I have heard that the climatic conditions in southern England are becoming just great for the Champagne grape to be grown, but also great for the mosquito also. Win some lose some.
Be prepared.
Tom
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#5 Posted : 14 February 2005 11:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Mathews
Try this website, it should help.

http://www.kendall-bioresearch.co.uk/spider.htm

Richard
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#6 Posted : 14 February 2005 11:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephen J W Clegg.
Hello, I attended collage with a safety guy from the timber importing industry. I remember him saying they had a few incidents involving bites from spiders (and other insects) every year.

It might be worth contacting the industry for some information e.g. RA, emergency action etc… the fruit importing industry may be able to help too.

I agree with the other postings about getting it checked though…
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#7 Posted : 14 February 2005 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Folks,

thanks for all your input on this one. According to the helpful link posted by Richard only Steatoda nobilis actually bites people, and the BBC nature site gives its distribution as limited to the South West. It may well have been some peculiar exotic then, but I am sure that the affected person has made a full recovery; the actual incident was in September and I've only just got the report. Anyway, thanks again for all the help, just goes to show, when you think you've seen it all....

John
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#8 Posted : 14 February 2005 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Many (many) years ago, I was bitten by a very small spider (what we call in Scotland a money spider?).
The bite was momentarily painful and raised a very small white swollen area on my thumb.

The episode did nothing for my sister's spider phobia!
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#9 Posted : 14 February 2005 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch
John,

Is the victim convinced about the spider, i.e did they see it and then feel the bite.

Or could it be that you have "carpet bug", e.g from worn nylon carpeting, and tiny fragments of material being taken up by static and fired at non-conducting objects e.g nylon tights.

When we had a couple of reportable accidents involving this phenomenon, [staff feeling a bite - scratching themselves and inflaming wound] Rentokil advised that it is quite common, and most prevalent in the sunny, warm months, i.e you could have a problem that might reemerge in the Spring.

Regards, Peter
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#10 Posted : 14 February 2005 13:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Peter,

I'm fairly sure it would have been some kind of arthropod; the issue of flying carpet fibres came up on this forum a couple of months ago (or maybe last month, I lose track) but the IP was definite that a 'creepy crawly' was involved. I do wonder how sure she was that it was actually a spider, and not for example an assassin bug or tick or some such,

John
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#11 Posted : 14 February 2005 18:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie
Regardless of what the BBC says, I agree with Ron.

I have been bitten, by a spider, in Scotland, within the last two years.

It raised a spot like a heat bump/mosquito bite which lasted two or three days!

Laurie
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#12 Posted : 14 February 2005 19:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Please remember, if spider or insect bite results in more than three lost days then it is definitely RIDDOR.

Had this once with a pregnant woman who took the rest of the week off after a wasp sting. I took flowers to her house and she was really really swollen !
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#13 Posted : 15 February 2005 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alex Ryding
We do indeed have biting spiders in the UK, one fairly common one and a few imports.

http://www.hants.gov.uk/...now/issue10/spiders.html

The woodlouse spider, our native biter, is around 1 - 1 1/2 cm long, burgundy legged with a light burgundy velvet body- similar to being stung by a couple of bees (I here!)
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#14 Posted : 15 February 2005 12:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Goodstadt
Of course she was swollen, she was pregnant.

(Sorry -I know I shouldn't, but it is dinnertime and I've been too busy for a while)

James
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#15 Posted : 15 February 2005 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
Some strange people even keep exotic spiders as pets. Perhaps it was one of these?

Those who saw Bill Oddie's programme the other day will know that we now have scorpions breeding by the South Coast (having arrived by ship as illegal immigrants). Yes, it's another aspect of global warming.
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#16 Posted : 16 February 2005 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
I suppose any spider, if it feels like it and if its little fangs can penetrate the skin can give quite a nasty bite as they all have various enzymes in their venom which are designed to liquefy their prey. With UK spiders it largely seems to be a question of temperament, as the hants.gov website implies; after all, good old Tegeneria, the common cobweb spider bites frequently in North America, which perhaps raises all sorts of questions about the gun culture etc there; perhaps its something in the air?

Once again thanks for the input; I personally have been bitten by an earwig (not venomous but a nasty nip) and the nastiest arthropod attack I've personally been subject to was a sting from some sort of North American (there you go again!) wood wasp, only about a quarter of an inch long, but it raised a lump as big as its body in a matter of seconds and brought tears of agony to my eyes. Good job the little b****r was so small.

The offending spider may have been some sort of exotic, but since the IP squashed it (as she proudly stated on the accident form) we'll probably never know,

John
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#17 Posted : 16 February 2005 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Oh yes, while I'm at it, thanks Chris for the utterly gruesome pics illustrating the effects of a Brown Recluse bite; lets hope Global warming doesn't mean we have them lurking in our outhouses!

John
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#18 Posted : 16 February 2005 16:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
John,

Has the individual in question recently exhibited a propensity for climbing walls while wearing red spandex suits?

Just asking... nothing serious to add!
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