Posted By Lewis T Roberts Nice one Ron, 23.8 Billion turnover, 3500 staff, diploma pt1, considerable experience, experienced trainer, demanding work load and do I read that right up to 20K dependant on experience.... safety seems to be a high priority there. Quite brilliant!!!

Posted By Richard S Pigg soory should read Lewis

Posted By Karen Todd I feel that a separate thread would be the place to talk about salaries in general. We should not be slagging off specific jobs that are advertised, because this will discourage companies from placing ads on this forum, and possibly deprive some of the forum users seeking employment opportunities of that opportunity. People should be able to take pride in the job that they do and who they work for, and they will be reluctant to apply for jobs that people have slagged off. Karen

Posted By Terry Smyth KAREN TRUST IN VALUE AND VALUE YOUR WORTH! No offence or disrespect intended! Regards Terry

Posted By Karen Todd Okay, okay. Perhaps my earlier posting was a bit strongly worded and I apologise. I did not mean to offend anyone. When I say "we" I mean in the collective sense, in that we all have a responsibility and as a previous respondant has indicated, previous threads have been pulled and there have been warnings from the moderators. It is important that employers are not discouraged from advertising, and that people are not discouraged from applying, and in the ideal world everyone would get a fair deal. Nonetheless, if I had a position to advertise, I would be hesitant, because someone is bound to have an issue with either the spelling, the salary, or the essential criteria ;) Karen

Posted By Brett Day Here's my two penneth - I find it frustrating that in certain areas H&S is poorly paid, but like most industries there are the 'entry level' / 'low risk' positions. I started off funding my own initial qualifications then started working for a company on £12k per year because it was the only way into the industry (had to extend the loan I took out to get qualified by a couple of years). Yes there are always emoployers that will try to screw down on wages but sometimes that is not the end all and be all !!! I worked for a company for two years - average wages BUT was part of a good experienced team, CPD was no issue - you need to do a course to keep current, this mob made it compulsery !! My main gripe was the fact that I had to use my own car (Having had a licence four years and covered 40,000 it takes its toll on cars). I left them after some major changes within the company and joined a 'World class consultancy' last year - company car, 5K rise, the works BUT had to commute into London and found that thier was more work than could professionally be done, stayed 3 months and left. End result I know what I am prepared to accept in terms of salary, If I'm expected to travel I will NOT use my car under any circumstances and will also want to know what sort of CPD the company is prepared to put me through. Bottom line -if you don't like the job don't take it !!! When companies find that they can't recruit or retain staff, they will have to up their game, it happens in other industries and will after time proberly happen in this one. Agencies - we've already had this thread, there are good and bad, the good will do the upmost to get you a good package, because it is in their interest to, if they've got you in they've earnt the fee. Yes I know there are probably some spelling mistakes, comes of being mildly dislexic and a U/S spellchecker !!!!

Posted By Brett Day Ron Hear, Hear !! As I stated in my post sometimes the wage is not the end all and be all !!!! I would hope that prospective employers are not put off using this forum. I've had a few interviews from it (first and second) and am waiting to hear from them. Perhaps this discussion/rant/moan would be better had on it's own seperate thread rather than leaping on every position posted if it doesn't meet with the reader's approval on wages, qualifications etc. Ron, I hope you find the person you are looking for and they have an interesting career with you.

Posted By Gary Bennett Hi Ron Please do not let the discontented put you off posting further vacancies on this site! If I stayed closer to Edinburgh I would consider applying!! Regards, Gary.

Posted By Keith Egerton My only comment is the comment very early in the thread, words to the effect 'its a low pay area'. Having originated from Cheshire, you try buying a house in Wilmslow on £20k per year... I can't comment on Edinburgh. Cheshire is no more highly or low paid than any other part of the country. I would have thought Wilmslow being so close to the Manchester would is quite well paid - hence this job isn't. Clearly any employer is entitled to try and get somebody for the cheapest rate...but I wouldn't apply for a position on £20k. My first job in safety back in 1996 was paying nearly £20k then... luckily I have progressed through this end of the career ladder and am now probably in the upper quarter of safety job salaries scales.

Posted By Jason Gould I personally would have gone for this job if I lived near Trafford Park or south Manchester. £20,000 does not seem low for someone with a dip 1 and some teaching experience and also with a get up and go about them. Actually the company looks like it has a lot to offer, your not left on your own and out of your depth. You belong to a big group. You can gain Group safety experience etc. Why knock it. If it was London then maybe it was over reaching but up in the north this to me is a decent wage for someone progressing through a safety career. I did three months travelling 55 miles a day assisting H&S manager 2.5 days which was fine because she was an good manager and 2.5 days assisting a quality manager from hell who thought after a 2 day internal auditing course I would Identify all the companies ISO problems. I did, they paid Cr** £12000 so I had to quit outright and in protest. (Just blown my chances now lol) Unfortunately I live in north Manchester (Bury) and the M62 south bound seems too much of a headache in the mornings so I am going to give this a miss unless there’s another route. My best of luck to the candidate and the company. Jason Gould Tech Sp Gen Cert Dip 1 7307 teaching cert 9001 internal auditing Just starting dip 2 sit exam in june 2005 All self funded Currently doing some DDA access audits Feel free to send an email and take the PI**, as I also have a good sence of humour. And still cannot seem to find that decent job in my area. And after watching the plumbing program last week £50,000 to £100,000 am currently kicking myself silly. Jason