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#1 Posted : 29 November 2004 14:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rachael Powell Thanks you all for your responses. It seems that with under 5 years experience under my belt and a NEBOSH Gen cert pass with credit I am entitled to very little in the way of membership..except AIIRSM perhaps & FPA? I am very aware that I have along way to go before I can consider myself at any great level of competence in H&S but I am interested in trying some tutoring and taking a C&G in delivering learning very soon. I am told that I can deliver basic H&S with recognised & approved material. Does anyone have any advice to give on that matter ?
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#2 Posted : 03 December 2004 21:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Matthews Rachael I cannot be of much help with your question, but would also be most inerested in the answer if any of the old hands have some useful advice to pass on.
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#3 Posted : 04 December 2004 18:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Rachael, As no ne has dared to put their heaqd above the trench here goes. NEBOSH Cert is the first rung on the ladder of becoming a H&S Practitioner. if you want to be succesful and I hope you do then it would be wise to plot youir career path from here on in. Decide if you want to specilise in a specific industry sector (ie Construction, consultancy etc) or in general H&S then look around decide how much time, money, experience, desire,employers contributions you may get and the time span in which to do all this in, set your goals. The most important thing for you at this moment is experience and not what insignificant letters you can amass after your name from Institutions with no kudos. The NEBOSH Cert is designed for Supervisors to give them an 'insight' into H&S and is not a pre-requiste for a H&S Professional although loads have stared off on this road thatway and been very succesful, I wopuld suggest the Pt1 Diploma or NVQ and consider an Environmental cert may be the next steps to take. Have you thought about a P402 Asbestos surveying or even a PG Cert in teaching? Can you hear that calling? Listen carefully !! Its beer! got to go sorry.
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#4 Posted : 06 December 2004 17:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Cookson Dip.RSA, MIIRSM, MIOSH, FRSH, MIVA, MInstLM, MaPS, LIAV Rachael, If you have got five year's Health and Safety experiance, I would now consider completing an NVQ level 4 in Occupational Health & Safety Practice and then you may be eligible for the MIOSH grade (3 years experiance required) but don't forget entry for membership is changing from next July or there abouts. It takes a long time to get experiance and you need to be a jack of all trades, its not just about health and safety? It is also very expensive unless someone else pays for your courses and cpd. Regards Chris Cookson Dip.RSA, MIIRSM, MIOSH, FRSH, MIVA, MInstLM, MaPS, LIAV
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#5 Posted : 07 December 2004 11:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Butler Further to previous posts, do look at doing a level 4 either NVQ or diploma to further your career as a practitioner. As a trainer, providing you have the NEBOSH certificate, and a training qualification, you may be eligible to offer courses certified through the CIEH, (the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health). They offer a number of courses, go to their website and follow the H@S training link. Good luck in your endeavours. Regards, Nick.
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#6 Posted : 08 December 2004 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darren Bates Racheal, Please ignore the response from Dave Wilson, judging by this, and his spelling, he has limited experience himself. The Gen Cert is not just for a Supervisors insight into H&S, (IOSH do specific courses for this) its much more indepth, as you know. Most supervisors I know wouldn't pass the Certificate. I have recently undertaken a course given by the EEF (Barleythorpe) on Manual Handling Train the Trainer, and I now conduct all MH training on site. This cost only £210 and is only a 1 day course. What I am trying to say is there are plenty of specific taylored courses out there. You just need to know in your own mind which area you want to teach.
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#7 Posted : 09 December 2004 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson not getting into a bunfight here, but as an Ex EHO (H&S Enforcement), Nebosh Dip, RSP and SpDip EM and been doing this in a number of highly regulated and diverse industry sectors for over 20 years I think that qualifies me to give a H&S Opinion! just because I need new glasses and can't really see the screen is not a reason to be castigated. Now if you read the 'target' audience for the NEBOSH Cert then I am afraid you are mistaken. If anyone out there thinks they have the prerequisite domain knowledge to be an instantly competent H&S Advisor after a two week (10 day) course you are living in cloud cookoo land. If you read the HSE publication RRC 121 Benchmarking the Competent Person in manufacturing and Engineering sectors - Prepared by the EEF(South) and I quote "The Cert Course is designed to help those with H&S Responsibilities (eg managers, Supervisors and employee representatives) to discharge more effectively their organisational duties and functions. It is not regarded as a qualification for H&S Specialists. Hence, a Competent person with this level of qualification may be expected to require considerable support to fulfill this role" It is a start in the H&S Profession but it is not the end! the object is to build on that and plot your career path from there and many people have, very succesfuly! the largest part of the memberships within IOSH are Cert holders but haven't met or heard of one who thinks that this is as far as they want or wish to go, so best of luck for the future. Myself, never dissed anyone on this site personally, just trying to give objecyive advice! so I won't start now although it is tempting!!!
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#8 Posted : 09 December 2004 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darren Bates Dave, My appologies, I shouldn't have presumed you were lacking experience, although you did come accross like you was dissing the Gen Cert. I would just like to say that some professionals that I have met said the Gen Cert was in fact harder than the University Diploma, although not sure which one. We live in a crazy world. Anyway, I would like to appologise again, and wish you a happy xmas.....and of course, Racheal, good luck with your future. x
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#9 Posted : 09 December 2004 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calum R Cameron Rachael, Firstly I would like to wish you the very best of luck in your chosen career path. Unfortunatly, having membership of any body is only a broad indicator of competence and as such you should not concern yourself with gaining letters for the sake of it. You should set out your route to attaining the only accreditation worth having in this industry (MIOSH RSP/CMIOSH). This membership level will come if you put in the hard work and effort required. Although the NEBOSH National General Cert' is a good basic qualification it most definitely does not make you able to fulfill a full time H&S role unless it is at the level of a safety rep or equivalent. This is quite clearly stated in the NEBOSH paper work. It is to be commended that you acknowledge your short fall in experience etc. It is crucial in this game to understand your limitations cos' we all have em'. The next step is a huge one and one which will require your full commitment in terms of qual's. Anyway-enough rambling-I'm off to lunch. Merry Xmas and again, the very best of luck. The sun shines on the riteous. Humbug........
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#10 Posted : 09 December 2004 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Darren its not a problem mate, we have had many a discussion on this site as to H&S Competence and I was not in anyway having a pop at the Cert, however it is the entry level and persons who do this, I have known a few, very few go on to do 'Safety' and it is this which I am having a go at. Persons who do go on aspire to bigger and better, whether we like it or not, its the RSP/Charterd bit which is what is required. Now the big question is how do you get there? There are a number of ways to do this and Rachael has to take a number of factors into consideration when decidng on this. Its not do Nebosh or NVQ or MSc etc its what is best for you and how you can achieve it.
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#11 Posted : 09 December 2004 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By PaulA Darren.. Don't you hate it when that happens!!! what are the chances??? Anyway.. great skills at back peddling! Made me smile. Some good advice as always gentleman.. keep it up. Regards Paul
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