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#1 Posted : 16 October 2006 15:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gwahir
Hi Guys,

I need your help, I read somewhere we can no longer put plaster or indeed have plasters in first aid kits, I can not find any legislation to this effect. What do you guys do?

Graham
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#2 Posted : 16 October 2006 15:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By RA
Gwahir,

I personally go by my risk assessments and Accident History for my environment, this will then determine the types of accidents most likely to occur and then you put in place your controls.......etc.

RA
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#3 Posted : 16 October 2006 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By naomi
Gwahir
I have not heard of this and I will continue to supply plasters to my work force, of course you will always remind first aiders to ask if the ip is allergic to plasters!

At this rate we will not be able to provide a first aid box!
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#4 Posted : 16 October 2006 16:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny
Very strange, the main items used in our first aid boxes are plasters. What would you replace them with?

Point to note I am personally alergic to certain plasters but still don't see a problem with having them in the kit.

Manny
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#5 Posted : 16 October 2006 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
Look at the HSE website guidance on first aid.

Plasters are perfectly acceptable. Usually the only thing your first aider will be asked to provide (thankfully).
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#6 Posted : 16 October 2006 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser
The banning of plasters in a First Aid kit is yet another example of over-reaction to the compensation culture myth.

This comes back to sensitisation and allergic reaction.

It is good practice for the First Aider to ask if the person has a known alergy to the plaster, before they put one on - some people do have an allergy, but if you ask first then you are "covered". They ask this in hospitals and doctor surgeries for the same reason.

Harking back to the recent thread on First Aiders being prosecuted, this is another one that could be quoted as a problem, but thinking about it realistically it would have to be a very severe reaction (life-threatening) and this is not likely, as it is a contact allergy reacting to rosin in the adhesive and the effect is localised.

For more info see:

http://dermnetnz.org/der...tis/contact-allergy.html

Alternative to the plaster would be to use a sterile pad (cut to size if necessary) and held with a bandage - this is both to slow bleeding and to provide a cover to allow it to scab. It may be possible to hold the pad in place with a surgical tape instead.
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#7 Posted : 16 October 2006 19:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kate Graham
It's a myth. First aid boxes (standard size) should have 20 plasters in them.

Kate
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#8 Posted : 17 October 2006 00:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
It will be unlikely for a first-aider to be applying a plaster to someone that is unable to indicate that they are allergic to it or, in the case of a child casualty, is already known to be allergic. Unconscious bleeding casualties tend to need dressings attached to bandages.
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#9 Posted : 17 October 2006 20:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey
We recommend to our sites that they put hypoallergenic plasters in their first aid kits. There is no big difference in price between these and ordinary plasters so why not?
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#10 Posted : 19 December 2006 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm Hogarth
I need to revisit this subject again please.
I was carrying out a workplace audit yesterday and noted that there were no plasters in a first aid kit. When I queried this the first aider (St. Johns trained) said that St. Johns told them that they were not allowed to use plasters due to allergies etc. I explained that the First Aid at Work Regulations require plasters in a first aid kit.(I am assuming that a 'sterile adhesive dressing' is a plaster)

Are there any Health and Safety Practitioners amongst you who deliver St.Johns courses and can clarify the matter?

Many thanks,

Malcolm
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#11 Posted : 19 December 2006 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny
This link takes you to the St Johns website where you can purchase the plasters which they recommend:

http://www.stjohnsupplie...ult.asp?productId=F00804

Now I would start questioning the competency of the First Aid Trainer.

Manny
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#12 Posted : 19 December 2006 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Welling
I agree with Sean

Les
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#13 Posted : 19 December 2006 14:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Hayward
Hi all
I am head of health and safety for St John Ambulance ( St John, by the way - not St John's)
I can confirm that adhesive plasters are OK to use in first aid boxes in line with HSE requirements, and I am concerned if any St John trainer says that they are not.
I will arrange for a general reminder to be sent out, but if anyone has a specifice instance , either by training centre or trainer name I will take it up with them personally
Cheers
Mick
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#14 Posted : 19 December 2006 15:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm Hogarth
Michael,

If you e-mail me I will give you the details.

Malcolm
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#15 Posted : 19 December 2006 15:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Hayward
I don't have your address?
Mick
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#16 Posted : 19 December 2006 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm Hogarth
Michael,

If you log on to this site I can e-mail you from here.

Malcolm
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#17 Posted : 16 February 2007 07:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Horsburgh
Yes of course you require to have plasters in your HSE First Aid at Work Kit as can be seen from the HSE Website and also at the company called Abertay Training Ltd where I did my training, who do lots of First Aid Trainer Courses at the following

www.trainthetrainer.co.uk
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#18 Posted : 16 February 2007 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By CRN Baker
I am one of those few individuals on our site who is allergic to plasters.
My nearest available first aider is aware of the issue and has been given a roll of the type of surgical tape which does not cause me a problem. The tape is held in their work area but not in the first aid kit so as not to cause confusion should other first aiders need to use the kit.

HTH
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#19 Posted : 16 February 2007 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By B Smart
In the Offshore Industry some rigs ban the plaster from the first aid box so that the injured person must go to the medic for the plaster.

The idea behind this is to ensure that even simple nicks and scratches are reported

B. Smart
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#20 Posted : 16 February 2007 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham
Just to clarify one point:

The old style plasters used an adhesive that contained colophony. This is a known sensitiser and did cause occasional type IV allergic reactions in the skin. Type IV responses (allergic contact dermatitis) is not known (with only one exceptional case reported) to cause the anaphylactic reaction that can, in extreme, be life threatening. It is the type I immune response (contact urticaria in the skin) that can produce this.

Modern adhesives used in plasters usually do not contain colophony. They are sometimes sold as "hypo-allergenic", but many of the others will be free from this chemical.

Chris
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#21 Posted : 18 February 2007 19:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By darren booth
as a first aider, i can't say i have ever used a plaster to treat someone other than when someone comes and asks for one! as stated earlier on the thread, if a cut needs a first aider to treat it, it will almost certainly need a dressing.
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#22 Posted : 18 February 2007 20:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP
I agree with above post, also:

If someone needed a plaster and did not know they had any allergy, they would only find out when using the plaster.

Apply the plaster and prevent infection, treat any reaction later...

Plasters are not 'banned' from first aid kits...
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#23 Posted : 19 February 2007 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Maggie Atterbury
Hi Gwahir

This is merely an urban myth, as some children were allergic to old style plasters. You should definitely have sterile individually wrapped plasters in your First Aid Kits and in any situation where you are providing these for children, ask the parents when the child joins the group if they have any allergies. Then if plasters are a problem, purchase some hypoallergenic ones.

Maggie Atterbury
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#24 Posted : 20 February 2007 12:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris G
Looking back up the thread, don't trust hospitals to use hypoallergenic plaster or dressing tape. I have tape on my arm monthly due to blood tests & now question what tape is in use every time as I eneded up with a swollen arm that affected my work on 3 occasions due to the tape used. Glad I ask as they were going to use the type I react to this morning until I asked. Blood tests are in a reasonable non sensitive area. I'd hate to have this type of reaction somewhere sensitive.

Still - I have 2 brands of plasters in my first aid box, but I always ask the IP if they know of any problems and can always offer an alternative if they come back with the beginnings of a reaction.
Chris
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#25 Posted : 20 February 2007 18:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner
Its only a theory BUT I seem to trace more and more GENERAL SAFETY MYTHS back to safety controls designed for young people or persons with special needs. THE EDUCATION AND HEALTH SECTOR FEATURES HEAVILY?????
Are safety advisers to the education and health sectors sending out poor quality safety messages
(1) leaving the rest of us to mop up the confusion? (ie WRONG MESSAGE)
OR
(2)untangle messages more appropriate to critical risk groups only.?
(ie MESSAGE NOT TARGETED)

OOPs maybe this is another thread!!
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