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#1 Posted : 17 January 2007 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh Simple question, what is the position on the requirement to replace safety helmets, is there a time period (I have had 2 years quoted). If so, which piece of legislation exactly states this?
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#2 Posted : 17 January 2007 11:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert. No as long as the said equipment has not been subject to or shows any sign of impact, and are inspected and maintained by the end user.
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#3 Posted : 17 January 2007 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny The manufacturer should provide information regarding shelf and in use life of a helmet. Shelf life is often 5 years. Manny
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#4 Posted : 17 January 2007 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Helmets are usually made from polymers, and they do not last for ever. Over a period of time the mechanical properties degrade. Many polymeric materials can eventually become quite brittle. How quickly this happens depends on a number of things, such as temperature and exposure to sunlight. I suggest you follow the manufacturer's recommendations. Jane
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#5 Posted : 17 January 2007 12:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka Normally on the inside of the helmet there is an indicator impressed into it showing the year and month of manufacture, the guidance that comes with the helments usually state a working life of up to five years, obviously the helmet should be replaced after any impact, and needs to be stored away from sunlight and heat. Part of the users RA should be that they are stored away from heat and sunlight (no putting them on the dashboard of vans whilst being driven around in summer!).
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#6 Posted : 17 January 2007 13:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By William I am also aware that a date of manufacture is inside the helmet, i think it may be 36 months that the maximum use is for. Also if an object was to strike the helmet it should be replaced immediately, even if no damage is visible to the naked eye. Also as we are talking about hard hats, what are others views about workers using permanent marker pens to write their names on it or just to decorate it? I myself think that once permanent marker pens are used on a helmet that it should be discarded as the strength of the plastic is weaker that what it should be after.
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#7 Posted : 17 January 2007 15:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka Generally using marker pens to mark the helmet shell is not a good idea due to the solvents in the markers. However marking the internal plastic parts that actually sit on the head should not be much of a problem.
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#8 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus garyh, No. William, induction stickers are a good one. reality is they will not be replaced (even after being dropped or had something fall on them) unless you work direct for company that has good H & S policies and procedures. In the last 10 years I have had no more than 5 operatives tell me something hit them on the head(no damage or injury)while wearing a hard hat. came across one the other day dated 1st quarter of 76 complete with comfy plastic harness
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#9 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I've just checked my glass-fibre (german manufacture) helmet. It's dated march 1997. 10th anniversary coming up. Merv
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#10 Posted : 18 January 2007 00:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor I thought the German ones were metal, Merv.
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#11 Posted : 18 January 2007 07:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Grey This subject was raised by our employees this week due to a statement in an operations manual stating expiry dates should be checked etc. The issue of usage and environment was raised and obviously the changing of head protection would depend on these two issues.
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#12 Posted : 18 January 2007 08:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese I myself think that once permanent marker pens are used on a helmet that it should be discarded as the strength of the plastic is weaker that what it should be after. It's a bit ungrammatical but I understand what is being said. Can anybody support this statement? Does anybody have any 'evidence' that the overall integrity of such a helmet has been compromised? Secondly, if we follow the manufacturers instructions on helmets, then are we duty bound to follow their instructions on safety shoes - currently I know of one that quotes 12 months?
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#13 Posted : 18 January 2007 08:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Ken, I thought they started it?
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#14 Posted : 18 January 2007 08:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Grey I have just read an advice note from Centurion Safety Products and they identify an in-use life of 5 years for head, face and ear protection. Is this an EN standard or just manufacturer's recommendations?
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#15 Posted : 18 January 2007 08:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese So assuming the helmet is issued, say, 4 years after manufacture, then its total life is 9 years? The problem I have with that is how could it be monitored. Got it. Put the date of issue on the helmet with a marker pen. Good. That's all sorted then.
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#16 Posted : 18 January 2007 08:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By GT Hi GARYH, There are many good answers here in the forum but as Jane Blunt points out there are also many apsects that can and do affect the acceptable life of a hard hat / helmet which have been explained. It is therefore conducive on each organisation and individual to make the appropriate assessment of what these hats have been exposed to and the possible property changes that it may have encountered in this time period. I do know that the manufactures of some hats will not guarantee the same standard of performance if exposed to heat such as we have here in the Middle East over a one year period. In merv's case ( brass helmet) its still good for another 10 years I would think ..............Merv have you unwrapped it yet!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahaha just joking Merv Best Regards GT
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#17 Posted : 18 January 2007 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh Thanks for the comments; most do not answer my query. I believe that there is no statutory age requirement, however the manufacturer 5 years recommendation seems to be the only tangible time limit. As for some of the others posts - well I never, I would never have thought of checking the condition of the helmet (etc). As a chemist by trade I find the assertion about marker pens and so on very interesting, which I have heard many times. However I have never seen any proof - is this just an urban myth? Precisely what chemical process is taking place whereby a dye in a pen affects plastic in a structural manner? Such marker pens are frequently used on plastic drums containing nasty chemicals!
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#18 Posted : 18 January 2007 09:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Gary I am also puzzled about the supposed effect of marker pen on hard hats although I think the concern is with the solvent rather than the pigment. However, the amount of solvent is small and evaporates quickly so any effect is surely minimal. Having said that, I will not use markers (or adhesive labels) until the urban myth, if that is what it is, is dispelled. Paul
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#19 Posted : 18 January 2007 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By GT Garyh, I understand where you are coming from ....well I think I do but manufacturers have varying tests and standrads for diffeent industries. Therefore any alteration or misuse can and does allow the manufacturer to quicly and rightly remove themselves from any litigation that might be levied in respect of their test procedure and set up below are the Standards being advertised by one manuafacture Regards GT EUROPEAN STANDARDS EN 397 specifies physical and performance requirements of industrial safety helmets. Certain tests are mandatory if the product is to receive EN 397 approval. These cover: Shock absorption Resistance to penetration Flame resistance Chinstrap anchorage A manufacturer can choose to submit his products to additional optional tests. Such tests could lead to one or more of these markings appearing on a helmet. -20°/-30°C The helmet will provide some protection when worn in an environment at or above this temperature 440V a.c. The helmet will protect against short term, accidental contact with live electrical conductors up to this voltage LD The helmet will provide some protection from lateral compressive loads MM Molten Metal splash test EN 812 is the standard for Industrial Bump Caps, which are intended to provide protection against bumps caused by walking into hazardous projections. A Bump Cap does not provide protection against falling or thrown objects and should not be used where a safety helmet is required. IDENTIFYING MATERIALS Shells are primarily made using UV stabilised high density polyethylene (HDPE) or ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene). Harnesses are made using low density polyethylene or terylene webbing. SHELF LIFE To comply with European Standards, all helmets are marked with the quarter or month and year of manufacture. If helmets are stored in boxes in which they were supplied and do not experience environmental extremes, the shelf life of a helmet is not limited. However, it is not recommended that a helmet should be in use 5 years after date of manufacture. ACCESSORIES Some helmets have sweatbands, chinstrap or both already fitted. Either can be purchased separately. Safety helmets can be fitted with eye protection through a range of visors or hearing protection through clip on ear defenders. CARE AND MAINTENANCE A helmet may be cleaned with soap and water, drying with a soft cloth. A helmet should not be cleaned with abrasive substances or solvents and must not be stored in direct sunlight or in contact with chemicals. The wearer should inspect a helmet regularly. Any helmet showing more than superficial abrasions or scuffing to the shell should be replaced. BADGE MARKING All helmets can be personalised with your company name or logo - contact your nearest branch for details.
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#20 Posted : 18 January 2007 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By William I am glad that the issue i raised about permanent marker pens is being discussed even though someone thought it to be a " bit ungrammatical ", the point went across to most without any difficulty. I decided to dig out an old hard hat, that i got last year (got a few ones under 2 years old if you want one Merv), i could not find any warning on the hat about when to discard it by, but i did see this on the inside of a new hat last summer. However it does state on the inside of the hat..."DO NOT USE paints, solvents, gasoline (it was made in Canada but has a CE 0194 stamp) or other chemicals on this cap. They may reduce or destroy impact resistance." The make is the "NORTH SAFETY CAP".
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#21 Posted : 19 January 2007 08:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Going back to Gary H's original question - whether there was a legal requirement, the answer is yes. In the PPE Regs 1992, regulation 7: ......shall ensure that any personal protective equipment ...... is maintained (including replaced or cleaned as appropriate) in an efficient state, in efficient working order and in good repair. So there is a specific legal requirement to keep the PPE in efficient working order. For hard hats made from polymer materials this will include replacing them before the mechanical properties have degraded to render them inefficient. The only problem now is that the time period in which this happens depends on a large number of factors. Jane
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#22 Posted : 19 January 2007 10:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Much as I hate to disagree with you Jane, the answer is clearly 'no'. There is not a laid down expiry date or expiry time for hard hats. The words you quote do not even suggest a time limit. As an example, the E@Q regs say ' maintain so as to avoid danger' , they don't suggest you get rid of the fixed installation after a period of time, and nobody interprets them that way. What you are doing (I think) is interpreting the words to suit your point of view.
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#23 Posted : 19 January 2007 10:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick 21 responses on Safety Helmet expiry and we say it is the tabloids that are ridiculing H&S.
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#24 Posted : 19 January 2007 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt For Peter There is nothing that you can do to restore the mechanical properties of a polymer that has degraded due to exposure, say, to sunlight. You have to replace it. You cannot ‘maintain’ it (although you can of course avoid abusing it). The words do not suggest a time limit – they require that the item of PPE is maintained in efficient working order. How you do this has to be taken on a case-by-case basis. The guidance recommends using manufacturers’ recommended replacement periods. To compare this situation to the maintenance of a material/structure where repair IS an option is not to compare like with like. Jane
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#25 Posted : 19 January 2007 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Original question: ... what is the position on the requirement to replace safety helmets, is there a time period (I have had 2 years quoted). If so, which piece of legislation exactly states this? Jane's answer: Going back to Gary H's original question - whether there was a legal requirement, the answer is yes. I'm sorry Jane, but the answer is still no. There is not a laid down expiry time limit. I accept there is a case in following the manufacturers instructions, but in law there is no legislative laid down time limit.
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#26 Posted : 19 January 2007 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Ellis Well Garyh a simple question ? I don't think they exist on this forum! I am of the opinion that if the hard hat appears visually ok ie undamaged and no hole's drilled through it for ventilation [believe me I have seen this]and is worn correctly this fulfills requirements under PPE. I could easily spend many hours checking dates and undesirable markings etc but it's just not practical in domestic construction. Mark.
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#27 Posted : 19 January 2007 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Midlake A few years back I took a hard hat which had been used for a couple of years and sprayed it with car paint ( don't ask why - obviously bored ). I left it on the window ledge for a few months and then dropped it onto concrete from head height. It shattered. Not sure if a little local marking with pen would have quite so drastic an effect though. Midlake
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#28 Posted : 06 February 2007 03:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By danny28 A normal safety helmet has 5 years life sapn before expired. However, if the condition seem bad due to work condition. I would change it as often it have to. regards, Zulhairul Shah www.onlineearnmakeeasy.com
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#29 Posted : 13 March 2007 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose To add to the above (or is it below?) - The HSE Nuclear Safety Directorate policy is to replace theirs every 3 years - good enough for the HSE good enough for me! However, with the cost of many helmets being very reasonable I would even suggest that smaller companies could replace every year (shock horror) Lets keep the management of it simple. Buy everyone the same colour helmet. When you reach your chosen expiry date (be that 1, 2 or 3 years) buy everyone new helmets of a different colour - then look for the 'odd man out'
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#30 Posted : 13 March 2007 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin C I believe the North safety products web site detailed how to test if a helmet is fit to use. I think it involves squeezing to give a certain amount of distortion. If it survives it is ok. If it breaks then it is time to bin it! This is from memory and some time back so may have changed now.
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#31 Posted : 13 March 2007 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Hard hats - I've seen them all - spray painted, covered in graffiti with marker pens, holes drilled for 'extra ventilation' don't know why nothing under it to cool. Banned them all and the wearer from sites until they were replaced. Only approved stickers allowed. It's the only way. Checks as mentioned by others.
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#32 Posted : 13 March 2007 16:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Forgot to mention petro-chemical industry change there hard hats more often. Used to be about two or three years even if not visibly damaged because of exposure to the solvents etc.
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#33 Posted : 13 March 2007 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Holland1 Network Rail will not permit hard hats any older than 2 years onto their projects.
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#34 Posted : 13 March 2007 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Newman TBC might be off at a tangent but, if helmets can't stand probable two-year exposure to solvants, what does same probable exposure do to people ? Merv
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#35 Posted : 13 March 2007 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Exactly!!!!!!!!
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#36 Posted : 13 March 2007 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Birks Gary, Sent you an email, but basically we have employees hand them in for exchange after 2 years or exchange 5 years after date of manufacture in line with 'manufacturers' guidelines. A organisation we provide training to follows this same guideline. Gus
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#37 Posted : 14 March 2007 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Julian R Davis In Ordnance Survey we are using Centurion hard hats for our surveyors out on site. I have checked with Centurion and they say that unless the hard hats are subject to any damage, the hats should be replaced after 5 years - and this applies across the whole range of their products. Previous to that we had 'plastic' type helmets which we replaced every 3 yrs or some expensive fibre-glass ones which lasted 5 yrs but having standardised on one product we are happy to find that technology has improved the quality of the hats to an extent where they can all be replaced at the 5 yr interval. To ensure consistency we then do a bulk purchase and replace all at the same time - and get a corporate logo added at the same time. Julian Davis CMIOSH OS DC&M H&S Consultant
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