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#1 Posted : 31 January 2008 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Debbie S We have a building on one of our sites (located well away from activity or people)that we know is fabricated in corrugated asbestos cement sheets. The building has never been used and we securely fenced it off to reduce the likelihood of any further damage or disturbance - some of the sheets have cracked and there are small amounts of broken sheet on the floor. I am now being told that they want to lease the building for storage, which will obviously involve a clean up of the area - does this have to be done by a licenced outfit. I have read through my copy of managing asbestos in premises, and it would appear not. I know that the person who want to lease is aware that the building is asbestos cement and he is not bothered - am I right in thinking that this should be put into his lease agreement along with do and dont's. Thanks for any constructive comments
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#2 Posted : 31 January 2008 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Either way, you will be engaging a contractor who will be working at height involving fragile surfaces (gusiing some of these sheets will need replacement) and who will have to properly dispose of all the broken material and debris. The degree of due diligence you will need to exercise will be considerable, but perhaps less so if you use a licensed contractor. Your call and your peace of mind! As Landlords usually have responsibility to keep properties wind and water tight and the structure comprises predominantly AC sheets, then the duty to manage (CAR2006) I think rests with you. part of this will be informing your tenant and establishing arrangements for reporting defects and establishing via lease/instruction that the structure cannot be modified or worked on by him - this would include painting/cleaning.
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#3 Posted : 31 January 2008 12:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter "gusiing" would you believe, should read "guessing"!
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#4 Posted : 31 January 2008 13:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Derrick Robinson Debbie We work regularly with asbestos fibre cement on buildings and there is not so far as I am aware a requirement to use a licensed contractor. We have had all our site people trained to work with the material and you need a good risk assessment/method statement which specifies methods which limit the release of fibres and the material is of course very fragile from a WAH point of view. Feel free to e mail me direct if you wish. Derrick
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#5 Posted : 31 January 2008 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Scott Playing devils advocate... In addition to the duty of care you owe your employees, especially those who may be asked to work in the area whilst preparing it for occupation, the other issue to consider is one of disposal. If you have no experience in disposal of asbestos products I would go down the licensed contractor route. After all I believe that as a company you are still responsible for ensuring your own waist, i.e. the asbestos, is disposed of correctly. Can you guarantee the new occupier or your guys won't just chuck it in a skip or worse fly tip it some where. Some thing that is sure to land your company in hot water or subject some innocent member of the public, possibly a child, to exposure of asbestos? Food for thought, but often the cheaper option isn't the best.
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#6 Posted : 31 January 2008 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin J Morley Hi there, Go to http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a14.pdf, one of several sheets covering "asbestos essentials" Non-licensed tasks. There is now a wealth of info on HSE's site, it is now my first port of call, rather than a last resort. martin
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#7 Posted : 31 January 2008 15:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Agree with Stuart - this was considered part of my "due diligence" issues.
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#8 Posted : 31 January 2008 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards The work should be carried out in accordance with HSE guidance in Working with asbestos cement. If possible, spray the sheets with water to reduce dust emissions. Try to remove them whole and take care to avoid breakage or sliding dry sheets over one another as this will release asbestos fibres into the air. Avoid the use of power tools. A disposable dust mask that is 'CE' marked to EN 149 with FFP2 particulate filters will provide an additional level of protection. After removal, the asbestos should be bagged or wrapped in polythene sheets, sealed, labelled 'Asbestos' and taken to a disposal site licensed to take asbestos waste. Whole sheets of asbestos cement do not need to be sealed but should be wrapped in polythene sheets. Information on disposal can be obtained from your local authority. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a14.pdf
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#9 Posted : 31 January 2008 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Debbie S Many Thanks to you all for pointing me in the right direction - have downloaded the information sheets from the HSE website - will now go armed to 'the bosses' with the necessary information for them to make the right decision.
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#10 Posted : 01 February 2008 14:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson I would just add although this is deemed as 'Low risk' asbestos work you do not have to use a licensed Asbestos Contactor however CAR 06 still applies and as such you have to follow the task cards. so the contractor or whoever you use use must have Training (Class 2)For the people who do the work, ideally using a UKATA training provider Have the necessary equipment eg Type 'H' Vacuums, airless sprayers with Abestrip Correct RPE / PPE Type 5 fibre proof overalls and 1.2 mask with FFP3 filter. UN Approved Asbestos disposal bags (double bagged) OR 1000 guage poly to double wrap. Waste carriers licence or approved Waste Contractor to Waste site which hoild a Waste Management Licence for this particular waste Note this does not fall under the Dangerous Goods legislation as Special Provision 168 exempts bonded asbestos but Hazardous Waste Regs apply. EL insurance which covers working with Asbestos.
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