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Posted By Jason911
I've just read an article in safety management mag from a few months ago that attempts to explain the many myths surrounding forklift trucks and licensing.
So it should all seem crystal to me now......well no, not at all really, I still don't understand, and nobody seems to be capable of giving me a simple yes or no answer without waffling on about the approved codes of practice the following question:
A: If we pay for members of senior management to attend a FLT instructors course with an accredited training provider every 3 years, can those members of management then train, examine and certify fit to drive our own employees? Yes or No, thats all i'm asking.
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Posted By jayjay
Jason,
Yes they can, if they are accredited to ITSSAR the refresher for Instructors is every 5 years
Regards, JJ
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Posted By Jason911
Thank you Jay Jay you are a gentleman and a scholar!
Jason
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Posted By Lee Cowdrey
Jason
Jay Jay is correct in as much that they can train, examine and authorise your own employees. But it may be worth noting that if you are only a category 1 you can only issue internal certification..... for example if you train an employee who then leaves the company the training he has received will not be recognised by other companies.
We have just become a category 2 for this very reason.
Regards
Lee
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Posted By Stupendous Man
Sound reason for Category 1 - why make it easy for other employers to use your investment in training to their advantage?
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Posted By Jason911
Apparently our current Training provider only has accreditation with AITT accredited (Association of Industrial Truck Trainers)
Is this the equivalent, or does this mean that their instructors course does not allow delegates to issue internal certification?
I am confused again.......Arghhhhhhhhh!!!!!
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Posted By Mitch
Beat me to it Stupendous Man, but you won't beat me to the bar see you Monday!!!
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Posted By Brian Hagyard
Jason
Will do my best not to quote ACOP, but the HSE current recognise a number of accrediting bodies, some of which can train trainers - there is a list on the HSE web site, but my ACOP lists AITT, Lantra National Training Organisation, National Plant Operators Registration Scheme and RTITB. There may be others added since so would recommend you check the web
Brian
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Posted By jayjay
Jason,
AITT and ITSSAR used to be joined at the hip, but now there seperated. However their principles regarding training of Instructors will be absolutely the same, therefore you can train internally with a CAT 1 instructor.
Regards, JJ
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Posted By Jason911
Thanks to all for the kindly supplied info.
Have a great weekend.
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Posted By Jason911
P.S Does anyone know where I can lay my hands on a decent initial FLT operators test?
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Posted By Mark Eastbourne
Stop me if I am wrong...or reply to this but surely anyone with proven competence can train an employee to operate a forklift truck if it can be proved they have undertaken Basic Training, Specific and Familiarisation training in addition to having passed theory training as well and been given an authority to operate the forklift truck. After all, a forklift is a piece of work equipment so if done this would be deemed as suitable and sufficient training surely?
Why can't an employee take his original certificate with him when he leaves as it shows competence, and surely it is down to the future employer as to whether he will take it as evidence of competence? Maybe ask for a practical demonstration?
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Posted By Debbie S
Jason911
Send an e-mail and I'll forward a copy of the theory and practical tests that we roll out in our company - we have an RTITB accredited instructor
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Posted By Jason911
Hey start your own thread!!!!
Seriously though Mark, I would not be happy for just any old FLT driver certifying rookies. What if they missed something on their basic training and then trained everyone else the same way?
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Posted By holmezy
Jason,
to take arguement further...
anyone can teach a driver to drive a car. It doesnt have to be a registered driving instructor, however, a candidate still has to pass a test to prove competency. Would you be happy driving on the road knowing that other drivers have been taught to drive by their Aunt Maud?
I would always insist on a certified trainer traing a flt driver.
Holmezy
Pedigree tonight I feel,,,,,
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Posted By Phelim King
Good afternoon,
I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the wearing of bump caps by the driver of an fork lift truck. Besides the issue of visibility when stacking pallets above FLT height I'm keen to know if they should or should not be worn.
Regards
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Posted By Mitch
Phelim,
Why should they be worn?
Mitch
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Posted By jayjay
Mark !
The answer to your request regarding training by somebody who has done a basic test is NO NO NO and NO again !!How can you equate between a driver of an FLT and an Instructor of an FLT. They are 2 different beasts as 1 drives round doing all the things he shouldn't be doing when he's trained i.e operating the hydraulics when moving, not wearing a seatbelt, undercutting the load with his forks etc and the instructor is a competent and trained instructor in instructional techniques who will train the novice correctly. No seriously Mark you can't have any Tom,Dick or Harry training person/s on an FLT if they've only done a basic course themselves. You have to go through a 10 Day course by ITSSAR or other accrediting bodies to be at the standard of instructing required. And they're pretty intense too.
Regards, JJ
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Posted By Phelim King
Apologies to Jason 911,
I'm new to this
Cheers
P
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Posted By Mitch
Welcome aboard Phelim,
Why apologise? My point was unless you have identified the need to wear a bump cap on a forklift why wear one? Unless you are servicing or repairing and there is a chance of bumping your head on the chassis/bodywork.
Mitch
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Posted By Phelim King
Many thanks Mitch,
I've heard of a few instances of personnel bumping their head getting in and out.
Also, in a collision, it may add some protection, although the seatbelt should prevent this,
Any thoughts ?
P
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Posted By Mitch
They should not be 'leaping' in and out of the forklift thus banging their heads, training and instruction required methinks. Collision yes the seatbelt should give protection, if in doubt fir speed restrictors!
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Posted By Phelim King
Many thanks Mitch
This has been a very useful experience,
Phelim
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Posted By Haggis JM
Speed restrictors - I wish!!!
Problem is if you fit restrictors, they actually restrict the engine speed, not the vehicle speed, so have the effect of reducing vehicle power to hydraulics etc.
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Posted By Mitch
Haggis,
Use a limiter with a mechanical gear box sensor and it will not affect the engine (power) when stationary.
Mitch
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