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Posted By Crim
I am in receipt of Pre Construction information for a new project and, as always there are certain key safety objectives.
I believe the CDM-C in some cases tries to set some standards that are not possible to guarantee, i.e.
accident frequency rate of zero.
site safety inspection score over 70%
Is there a standard formula for accident stats on construction sites and is there a standard site inspection system with recognized scoring system?
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Is it not for the Client to express the goals and objectives (and these can be expressed in terms of borad brush policy statements & objectives) and for the CDM-C to translate these into the pre-construction information.
I do not believe CDM is looking for absolutes or such quantified statements as you describe.
I see nothing wrong in simply translating (or making reference to) a Client's Policy statement here.
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Posted By Paul
It is not the job of the CDMC to stipulate H&S goals for the project. This I believe is a client duty and as mentioned above it will then be incorporated by the CDMC within the PCI.
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Posted By al wood
could this be the ramblings of yet another ill informed CDMc.
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Posted By MickN
Ignore them, if possible. They are targets, nothing more and the client shouldn't push it too far up the agenda. Your going to operate a safe site and focus on real issues, not stats.
By all means, record the manhours and log the incidents/accidents. There are plenty of threads you can look for on here that will tell you all you need to know about accident frequency rates.
I spoke to a consultancy and they never gave a site inspection result less than 90%. They got phone calls from head office if it was 90% (bad site) but never got praise when they hit 98% (good site).
It's paperwork, nothing more, and for me it helps only those who know little or nothing about real project safety. Treat it as such. Do it, keep them happy but never loose sight of whats really going on, i.e. your audits.
Mick
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Posted By Martin Mulholland
This is my take:
Everyone has a duty to establish H&S goals for a project and this should be decided upon ahead of commencement - along with everything else.
Arguing about whether it is the Client, the CDM-C or others, and referring to the CDM Regs perhaps to determine absolute duties, demonstrates a negative safety culture that will be obvious to all those working on the project.
This will do nothing to hep in achieving the goals that have been set.
Marty
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Posted By NJS
What is wrong with seeking an "accident frequency rate of zero", or a "site safety inspection score over 70%"?
Surely that is what we should all be attaining for? or have I missed something?
And before I get shot down by users saying "an accident frequency rate of 0 is impossible" ask yourselves this, "why is it?" I don't think it is impossible, in fact with proper training, effort and pulling together (not blaming the ill-informed CDM-C) an accident free site is a real possibility.
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Posted By phalda
To Set an accident rate as zero is a paper exercise with no bearing in the real world...
What it means is that they want the REPORTED ..accident rate to be zero...
The very fact that we are dealing with human beings makes zero accidents a fallacy beleived by those who have no idea what they are talking about... But Yet again it would also depend on the business your in ..Construction at zero accidents is laughable.. ZERO REPOrTED ACCIDENTS..YES...
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Indeed 'Zero reported accidents' is more like reality. Aspirational goals should be seen as just that. If they are genuinely achieved all well and good. If not, have you under achieved?
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