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#1 Posted : 03 April 2009 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By martin.carr1@ntlworld.com Whats your thoughts on this scenario/case study? A person develops occupational asthma and the employer discovers an 'insignificant' level of wood dust in the working environment but due to the 'insignificant' level of dust discovered the employer deemed it unnecessary to record the date, assessor details or findings but the employer suggests (in writing) that the employee 'wears a dust mask' look forward to your thoughts.
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#2 Posted : 03 April 2009 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis What type of wood dust is it coming from some worse than others !If he already suffers with asthma may need more than just ordinary dust mask.
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#3 Posted : 03 April 2009 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By martin.carr1@ntlworld.com Hard wood dust. Employee was in perfect health (no asthma). shouldn't the employer record the findings?
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#4 Posted : 03 April 2009 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liz Maw Hi there If the amount of dust was "insignficant" why is PPE needed? It doesn't quite make sense. I would think the assessment should have been recorded if a control measure was necessary....
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#5 Posted : 03 April 2009 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM I'd always try to err on the side of caution and record 'significant' risks and 'insignificant' risks. If you've thought of it, it's forseeable even if you reckon risks involved are negligible.
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#6 Posted : 03 April 2009 15:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick Martin, I would suggest the significant "finding" is the development of occupational asthma. The root cause of that needs to be found and controlled. All of that requires to be documented for many reasons.
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#7 Posted : 03 April 2009 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Only the Main Findings need be recorded in writing, if anything is "required" then that would be a Main Finding.
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#8 Posted : 03 April 2009 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Has the asthma been properly investigated by a qualified medical practitioner who has done the correct tests? If so what was determined as the cause? Was it actually the wood dust? Caution re diagnosis! I had a case with a client where the medical practitioner had diagnosed asthma due to latex allergy without having done the proper test. My investigation revealed that the "latex" was a synthetic latex, i.e. the asthma was not due to the latex but to a non-occupational exposure. If it is the wood dust diagnosed as the cause then I believe it should be reported. Chris
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#9 Posted : 03 April 2009 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen d clarke Hi, Occupational asthma caused by wood dust is RIDDOR reportable unless there is good evidence of a pre-existing condition, it is caused solely by exposure to agents outside work or it was neither exacerbated nor triggered by exposure at work. From what you have said it could have been tiggered by exposure at work therefore if a medical diagnosis is asthma and the above applies it should be reported IMO. Steve
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#10 Posted : 06 April 2009 22:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By martin.carr1@ntlworld.com Thanks everyone :)
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#11 Posted : 07 April 2009 08:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Martin I have to presume in all of your information that the Med Prac. has investigated thoroughly that the attacks are occupationally based. Occupational Asthma tends to clear up overnight, and weekends or longer breaks ceases completely. If this is not the case there is the potential that this is not directly work related but merely exacerbated by the exposure at work. Existing Asthmatics can have strong reactions to very low levels of some irritants and this may be what is occurring. The choice has to be then one of complete removal from the dust and re-allocating to other work areas where there is no exposure. You cannot afford however to continue the exposure of this person to wood dust, at whatever level, as there is a potential of death from an asthma attack and the risks are not negligible. You must establish rapidly the link to wood dust and if it exisits act immediately. Bob
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#12 Posted : 07 April 2009 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Carr Records showed that peak flow tests (taken daily) improved when away from work(weekends/holidays etc)and declined when at work. There Is sufficient evidence to suggest that the work environment was associated with the change in peak flow tests. It's surprising that the employer did not record the findings of their risk assessment even though wood dust was present (insignificant levels) and occupational asthma was diagnosed and suggested the use of a dust mask should wood dust become airborne.
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#13 Posted : 07 April 2009 16:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M Did I read right, is it hardwood dust? Forgive me if I have missed this but isn't hardwood dust a carcinogen?
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#14 Posted : 07 April 2009 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Martin No mask is perfect and comfortable to wear all day eveeryday. Thus the answer is to remove the employee from the activity and hazard. A response at whatever level is sufficient to be of concern to warrant action. The risk assessment must be to remove the person from the risk not to use PPE Bob
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#15 Posted : 07 April 2009 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel Martin, you have mentioned that there is 'insignificant' exposure to wood dust. The only way you could prove that would be through air monitoring. Was that done? If so that may be proof enough. Was annual health surveillance done? This is also required when exposed to wooddust particuarly hardwoods and redwoods. The health surveillance can pick up whether controls are sufficiently working. Plus is there any other substance that could have caused it? Many of the chemicals used in joiners are also hazardous and some may also cause/bring on asthma. Just thoughts
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