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#1 Posted : 14 April 2009 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Penfold
Not sure what to advise here. I have a large 3 storey office building in a town centre circa 130 staff. Good fire alarms, means of escape, staff well drilled etc.

However, it was noted on the last drill that there would not be access to the rear of the building for a fire engine due to car parking.

My first instinct is to ban the cars, but I'm sure this problem is not unique. There must be similar buildings in city centres with restricted parking, and some with no rear access at all.

Has anyone else come across this and how did you solve it?

Thanks in Advance
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#2 Posted : 14 April 2009 17:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By BPF
Penfold.

Part B (B5 to be precise) of the building regs gives details of the access and facilities for the fire service.

Link to the regs below.

http://www.planningporta...ls/en/1115314683691.html

It may be a good place to start to see what is presently expected and see how your current set up fares.

BPF
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#3 Posted : 14 April 2009 20:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH
Hi Penfold - You could always discuss the perceived problem with the local F&RS Fire Safety dept!

It's difficult to visualise your site given the [quite rightly] minimal detail & therefore impossible to provide a definitive "yes" or "no" answer. However, whether it's a public access or truly private road will certainly impact on your decision.

It should be that the F&RS have already undertaken a "risk assessment" for attendance at your, & neighbouring, sites but possibly without full knowledge of the current, real conditions. I have no doubt that the parking situation fluctuates according to time of day, week, month, year.

Basically, there're loads of issues to be considered; but don't beat yourself up without including those who it is perceived to affect - the F&RS.

Frank Hallett
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#4 Posted : 15 April 2009 23:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC
The Fire & Rescue Service may not want to take an engine down behind your building in case it gets into a dangerous situation with building collapse or smoke logged. As has been said before - without seeing the building and surround plan - it is difficult to comment fully.
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#5 Posted : 19 April 2009 21:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Penfold
Thanks for the responses. This is one of many buildings I look after, so limited time I can spend on it.

TBC. Your scenario of the engine getting stuck behind the building makes sense. This would be the case here. It is a private car park and is jammed packed between 9-5

BPF. I will look at Document B.

Thanks again
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#6 Posted : 20 April 2009 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson
As Frank said, have a word to your local Fire and Rescue Service. Some Fire Authorities have requirements over and above the Building Regulations.

I am sure Frank will remember the old “Essex Act” which always seemed to catch the Architects out.
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