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Posted By Bob Youel
I always advise that when procuring PPE it should be undertaken via the 'practicable' philosophy as against the RP philosophy
What are members thoughts on the matter?
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Not entirely sure of your meaning there Bob, but I wouldn't support (e.g.) insisting on a higher than necessary specification for RPE, and I can't see how you'd apply this "philosophy" to gloves at all.
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Posted By bereznikov
Bob,
If you mean that in choosing PPE (e.g. gloves) in a multi-hazard operation (e.g. handling corrosive and non-corrosive chemicals and manual handling), you choose gloves that protect against the highest risk (e.g. heavy-duty rubber gloves offering protection against both the corrosion and handling risks), no matter if the highest risk activity is being performed (e.g. establishing a site minima for gloves), then i'd agree with you.
This is because in my opinion, providing one set of protective gloves that protect against all the hazards present in the workplace (difficult i know, but possible) is easier to administer from a management POV and easier to adhere to from an employee/operative POV, than having different gloves for different hazards all of which are required as part of normal operations.
Hope you understand my point.
bereznikov
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Posted By Bob Youel
'higher than necessary' is the key term:
As I say that 'necessary' = the current best practice leading edge PPE readily available and not necessarily something that was the best 5 years ago even though it may still be on the market. Noting that the newest stuff may cost more! The idea being that we must be keeping pace with current technology using the risk present as the driver
And common sense must be used especially for general gloves and similar areas
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Posted By holmezy
Bob,
I adopt a "suitable" philosophy (as I'm sure most of you do??), then decide from the suitables based on value for money, fit, maintenance, durability etc etc.
I think its about getting the right kit for the job at an acceptable price. Whether thats "practicable" or indeed "reasonably practicable" is another arguement!!
Holmezy
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Posted By Paul Graham Baskeyfield
Surely any PPE must be suitable for the purpose rather than offering the 'best' protection available. If you over specify RPE for example, then it may become more difficult & inconvenient to don, use, & breathe through. This means that it will be less likely to be actually used. After all, it isn't protecting anyone sitting in the box! Then, you also have the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome to consider when you do need the higher protection.
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Posted By Bob Youel
thanks for your useful comments
In my 'practicable' comments PPE is always suitable for the purpose noting 'best' protection is usually leading edge and 'best' means that all factors have been considered prior to procurement as getting leading edge just because its leading edge can be counter productive
TA!
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Posted By Ron Hunter
If you were to say that PPE must not be selected on the basis of price alone (accepting that all the PPE under consideration must be compliant with the relevant EN standards) then yes, Bob - I entirely agree.
Fit, comfort, durability, opinions of the workforce,etc etc. -all valid.
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Posted By Chris Packham
When considering gloves for chemical protection in my experience it is rare to find a workplace where only one type of glove can cover all the different chemicals on site. Selection of gloves for chemical protection must take a number of factors into account, in particular:
Useability, i.e. providing sufficient dexterity that the work can be done.
Physicial damage: Able to maintain integrity throughout the period of use
Degradation: Not directly damaged by contact with the chemical that might come into contact with the glove
Permeation: Migration through the glove at a molecular level. Note that manufacturers' permation breakthrough times do not tell you what you will get in practice, only which is likely to be the most suitable glove.
Duration: How long will the gloves be worn at any one time and can the gloves then actually provide protection for that period?
Handling: Can the wearer remove the gloves without contaminating their hands with what is on the gloves?
Chris
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Posted By popson
in my own opinion,i think procuring PPE must be based on the best which can last long even if it is being used with the most corrossive and concentrated chemicals.And which in turn will not affect the user when removing the glove after every operations
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Posted By afolabi ayodeji
in my own opinion,i think procuring PPE must be based on the best which can last long even if it is being used with the most corrossive and concentrated chemicals.And which in turn will not affect the user when removing the glove after every operations
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