Posted By Ian Hurley
hi
as you already have an Advanced Certificate in Occupational Health and Safety from CIEH which is in fact L4,do the train the trainer course,
then apply to cieh to deliver their L1,L2 OR Manual handling course (info on cieh website)
costs are minimal
delivery is in house at a time that suits you
if you require any info e-mail me
regards
Ian

Posted By Ian Hurley
Ufourtunatly politics of the two seperate organisations get in the way!
incredable that both organisations wish to be recognised by the Sector Skills Council (SSC) and the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA), but dont recognise each other, and of course there is the snobbery .

Posted By harry1964
I would have thought that if you conveyed the information in the HSE documents, for example safe angle of ladders, types of ladders to use, contact points on a ladder etc that you would be discharging your duty. I used to work for a company that employed several hundred engineers around the country and the H&S guy wrote all the courses, he was not an expert in all areas but included the relevant points in all the training materials.

My understanding would be that as a company we should were possible avoid all work at height, if we can relocate equipment to ground level we should, if we cannot avoid work at height we should then try to use platforms / powered access - basically avoid ladders unless no other choice. If we can use platforms or scaffold towers I can send the staff on specialised courses so I do not need to go into depth in my training on those specialised areas.

If the job must be done off a ladder then the training should cover the points in the HSE guidance. In my opinion the points I would need to cover are fairly basic, I would need to set up an inspection scheme for the ladders (tagged / numbered), train staff to check ladders before use, advise on ladder angles / condition of the ground the ladders are used on / securing the ladder etc....