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#1 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Ling
We have a large number of employees who cycle to work and my Plant Manager has noticed that very few of them wear safety hats. He is keen that while encouraging people to use bicycles he wants to make sure they are safe.

Does anyone know of any good posters or leaflets on cycle safety? I have found some about maintenance of cycles but not on wearing safety hats and hi viz clothing. Most cycle safety seems to be aimed at schools and children.

All help welcomed.
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#2 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul
Jane,

Just a thought but this might be an ideal thing to consider. It is National Standard Cycle Training mainly used for school children but they also carryout training for adults.

Just a suggestion....

http://www.cycle-n-sleep...20proficiency%20main.htm
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#3 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By June-bug
Hello Jane,

We got the Police to come in and give a talk, which they did for free. It was brilliant and our staff thought it was very useful. They even have a buddy cycle system, where they will cycle with anyone who wants to, to work in order to show them what they should / should not do on the roads. This was in London, but I am sure wherever you are in the UK the local force must do the same thing.

We did it over a lunch time so people could eat as they listened so we had a good turnout that way.

If you're interested and in London, send me your email address and i will give you the contact.
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#4 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By tmg
Hello Jane,

Try the Rospa link below:
http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/cycling/

Hope this helps.
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#5 Posted : 20 May 2009 14:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Jane

Try the CTC: http://www.ctc.org.uk/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=0

Paul
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#6 Posted : 20 May 2009 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT
I hate to say it, but the jury's still out on whether cycling helmets actually do more good than harm.

Someone else suggested the CTC, who are a brilliant organisation, but I must draw your attention to this article on their site:

http://www.ctc.org.uk/De...pDefault.aspx?TabID=4688

You might want to have a look at this site too: http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

and this particularly interesting article: http://www.cyclehelmets.org/papers/c2023.pdf

Thought this info might help you, as it's always best to be armed with as much knowledge as possible before coming to a decision!
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#7 Posted : 21 May 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch
Hi Jane

For those of your staff who have short hair, it might be better to invest in long wigs than helmets.....

http://www.bath.ac.uk/ne...ve/overtaking110906.html

Regards, Peter
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#8 Posted : 21 May 2009 13:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack
Whenever the question of cycling safety is considered there appears to be an automatic assumption that a cycle helmet is the answer. As MT says the jury is still out on this. Making helmets compulsory for staff travelling to work could well lead to fewer cycling to work, and therefore taking less exercise. In countries where helmets have been made compulsory -- and this is covered in the links MT has cited -- it has been found that cycling rates have declined (with consequent effects on health and the environment) but with no improvement in head injury rates.

I feel you should leave it up to the cyclists themselves to choose whether or not to wear a helmet (and I take this view both when cycling whilst at work let alone when cycling to work in your own time).

PS since typing this I've seen Peter's link to the Walker paper, and passing distance helmeted or unhelmeted (& wigged unwigged!) is also a factor
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#9 Posted : 21 May 2009 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
I dont think that anyone is suggesting a helmet is compulsory for people cycling to work, that would be, as you say, detrimental, it appears to be more about 'promotion' of a safety topic.

When employees are at work with a cycle, then the employers control and responsibility over the activity increases, we go as far as providing people who cycle for work with hi-vis vests, helmets, we have an inspection schedule for bikes and they do a mini cycling 'test', we get them to then sign for the rules for cycling at work.

Might seem excessive, but an individual on the same site as us was recently killed on his bike...

Jez
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#10 Posted : 21 May 2009 17:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Blenkharn
Strange isn't it, that there is a slightly self-congratulationary tone to all this.

We are working hard to protect and enhance the welfare of our employees, even while they cycle to work. Isn't that wonderful. How thoughtful and kind we are!

I suppose it's the same kindness that overlooks speeding in company vehicles, or in private cars on the way to work (more likely on the way home), using mobiles while in company vehicles, and not wearing seat belts. Of course, there may be a policy, but the evidence is that those are in large part simple window dressing prepared in the full knowledge of what really happens.

And then there is that ultimate kindness, to erect smoking shelters so that those who wish to put their health at risk by smoking will not feel the chill of a brisk wind, or feel the rain on their heads!

But isn't it strange how we get ourselves into a muddle over these matters, but always find a reason for self-congratulation whichever way we choose to spin this.
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#11 Posted : 21 May 2009 18:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi
Whereas what cyclists decide to do in context of using or not using cycling helmets as individuals when they are not cycling as a part of their work is their decision.

When cycling is allowed as a part of work related activity, the employer also has responsibilities and safety organisations such as ROSPA also support wearing of helmets.

Refer to:-

The Effectiveness of Cycle Helmets

http://www.rospa.com/roa...y/info/cycle_helmets.pdf

Cycling Policy Statements

http://www.rospa.com/roa...dvice/cycling/policy.htm



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#12 Posted : 21 May 2009 20:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Ling
Many thanks to all the very helpful responses which have given me some new areas to search. The debate about helmets or no helmets is an interesting one.

To the more sceptical response I would like to reply that I find it very disappointing to get this type of answer to a straightforward query. Although I do appreciate that some people do this to get a debate going, it can also serve to put people off posting serious questions on the forum. In fact I very rarely do post because I have received this type of response before. You may think I am being thin skinned but these responses are making assumptions when they know nothing about the safety culture in an organisation.

Also I can still remember my health and safety training and was under the impression that encouraging health and safety out of work was considered a good thing.

We are not trying to dictate to people what they do in their own time but trying to raise awareness.
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#13 Posted : 22 May 2009 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Dawson
Perhaps a few red herrings have led you to miss the point, Jane. Of course there is nothing wrong with promoting health and safety in a wider context that 'at work' but cycle helmets may not be the way to go. Even the link Jay cites includes contradictory evidence about the efficacy of helmets (and more recent research contradicts some of the other papers listed -eg the studies following helmet legislation elsewhere in the world).
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#14 Posted : 22 May 2009 09:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F
How many of you cycle, I always wear a helmet and was involved in an incident were the helmet actually saved me from a major injury.
Previous to taking part in an event I would never have worn one.

Everything has it's plus and minus points. It's like everything in health and safety,I draw up risk assessments and put in control measures but do we continue them at home?

Campaigns are great to get the message across, but once out of work people have the right to make their own choices.
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#15 Posted : 23 May 2009 17:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Jane,

If you look at Piet De Jong's research paper into the Health Benefit of Bicycle Helmet Laws, the risks actually goes up with statutory helmet use rather than down. See: http://papers.ssrn.com/s....cfm?abstract_id=1368064

Also the risk of head injuries amongst pedestrians are greater per mile than cyclist, however how many walkers do you see wearing protective head gear!

The other problem is that the amount of protection offered through cycle helmet use is also very limited.

Ironically the incidence of head injury amongst cyclist is less in the Netherlands than the UK where hardly anyone uses helmets!

My view based upon my own knowledge, is that cycle helmet use should only be a personal choice and if safety practitioner step into this area they must present a balanced view based upon available research. See Code Point 1 of our Code of Conduct: http://www.iosh.co.uk/fi.../about/CodeofConduct.pdf

I personally cycle over 4000 miles per year and I do personally choice to use a helmet!
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#16 Posted : 23 May 2009 20:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Ling
Thanks to everyone for the really useful advice, in particular the information about helmets.

I would however like to add that my initial post must have been misleading. Our intention was never to try and force employees to wear safety helmets only to raise safety awareness by providing information.

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