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Posted By Paul I Clark
Has anyone got any health and safety rules and requirements issued by a client in the capacity of a master developer? So this would focus on requirements placed upon sub developers and their directly appointed contractors in the master development. Any examples much appreciated!
Thanks Paul Clark
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Posted By garyh
I don't even understand the question. Could someone translate?
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I would usually consider "Rules" to be associated with a specific Project /Site, including 'conditions' imposed by others (e.g. Roads Authority, Planning & Building Control, etc.)
Not to be confused with 'Standards', 'Competency' and of course, Statutory compliance.
Perhaps you could ellaborate Paul?
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Posted By FAH
Paul - my apologies for being so thick - but just what is a "Master Developer" please?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Davwre
Paul,
You have email.
Regards,
David
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Posted By steven bentham
Master Developer?
Is it the same as 'Master and Commander'; you know the film with Russell Crowe as the captain Jack Aubrey and that battle with the French Ship. . . .
Sorry its Friday
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Posted By bill reilly
A master developer would be responsible for the planned development of land and infrastructure on a given site. This would include infrastructure and utilities planning, site preparation, the identification of end users, and the potential building of product for tenants.
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Posted By FAH
So, using Bill Reillys' definition; as far as the UK is concerned it's a combination of the Client AND the Principal Contractor then?
Or have I misread/misunderstood [again] and could we be possibly talking about one of those wonderful Quangos such as the "regional" Development Corporations?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Paul I Clark
Hi everyone,
Sorry for the confusion for those who have not come across the master developer role.
As a Master developer, we own a whole site and install roads and draw up plots. We then develop some plots for our own use and sometimes sell other plots to other developers. Managing safety on our own plots is easy, however trying to control H&S performance on the sold on plots is the problem.
This is because you have no direct contract and therefore no control with the sub developers appointed principal contractors.
So what I looking for is a document that can be issued to other developers (when they buy the land) that lays down the master developers requirements and has some mechanism to allow the master developer to enforce these on the sub developer contractors. The problem is how to police other developers contractors for the benefit of the whole development.
Thanks
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Posted By FAH
OK Paul - I think that I understand now!
Thank you for accomodating my ignorance of the term used so nicely.
I am assuming that your problem is UK based?
As I see it, you are essentially the original CDM Client in that you are overall responsible for the complete set of parcels of land; but actually "sell off" your rights to exercise direct control over parts of the overall site when you sell those parcels to a subsidiary developer.
I don't believe that there is any single specific document that will solve your problem as such, situations vary so much; although it would be very interesting to attempt to create one.
Aside from at least a core of very competent H&S professionals with in-depth understanding of the relevant applications of CDM & H&S, Fire & Environmental issues, I would suggest that there should be a high degree of competence in Contract Law to support them.
I know that this isn't what you asked for, but it's certainly the best that I can suggest at this point. Possibly this will assist in clarifying your next areas for consideration.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Paul, I think you're really answering your own question in your addendum post. If you sell-off a plot, you then have no real control or duty over what happens there. The best you can do is advise nicely on any poor practice, or else whistle-blow to the authorities if it's serious stuff.
You would retain authority and control over what happens outwith that boundary where the roads and footpaths etc. remain in your possession and you can place restrictions on parking/waiting, vehicle and plant movement,overhangs, sight-lines and mechanical road sweeping, etc. as required.
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Posted By Paul I Clark
Yes kind of, but if you have a number of poor indirect contractors, your business can look second rate because the overall development is branded in your name. Therefore poor h&s at the site boundary is viewed by everyone and considered as you because of the flags proclaiming another development by xxx. Its tricky and I'm basing this from a non UK environment so cannot look upon the enforcement bodies to help out.
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Posted By Philip McAleenan Paul, the Bilbao declaration may be helpful here. It is the result of the European Construction Safety Summit in 2004 run by the European Agency for H&S at Work. It is designed to reduce accidents and illness resulting from the whole of the construction process and has sections dealing with procurement, social partnership agreements and obtaining the best in H&S. It doesn't provide you with the guidelines that you have asked for, but will give you support in making H&S demands of developers, contractors etc. Download it from http://www.web-safety.co...m/bilbao_declaration.pdf regards, Philip
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Posted By Paul I Clark
Thanks everybody, I feel I have got a strategy to go forward from your ideals. Extra thanks to David Wrench for his kind off line advice.
Paul Clark
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