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#1 Posted : 21 May 2009 15:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By BoBo
Can an employer expect staff to work in a shop unit without
A- a toilet
B- Hand washing facilities

The shop is working with footwear and cutting keys.
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#2 Posted : 21 May 2009 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
If there're facilities available nearby. (i,e public tiolets etc)then there's no problem. You've need to make a reasonable judgment on costs/benefits.

Other things to consider would be potable water, adequate temperature and ventilation etc.
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#3 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Yes. The test of reasonable practicability applies.
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#4 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel
is this 2009 or 1809? - it makes you shout!

the idea re 'facilities near by' is not wrong, I use it in certain circumstances [kiosks, roving workers etc]. However you need to adequately RA and then make your case as most public facilities are not suitable for all work conditions

Additionally some public facilities in shopping ctrs are managed via Facility Management companies who have some funny rules so if FM's manage the area contact them for their thoughts and your local authority EHO's
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#5 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
Bob,

Above two post from people working in local authorities.

the magic word is 'sensible risk management'. Also I think you didn't read the word 'available' in my previous post. I don't think I need to define 'available' now
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#6 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Borland
How does it work from a welfare point of view they only have the shop for breaks, which has no hand washing facilities.
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#7 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
Andrew,

Let’s suppose a toilet/washing room is available in the shop. The sole worker needs to go to the toilet. What would he do in this case?

Same principle applies above.
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#8 Posted : 21 May 2009 20:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By TonyB
BoBo

When you say footware - do you mean footware repair (typical combination keys & feet!). If this is the case then COSHH may kick in! This could make a significant difference in what is acceptable (all them nasty solvent based glues!)

TonyB
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