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Posted By Denn
Could anyone offer a point of view on this issue pls?
We have an employee who flies regularly for us on company business - our policy is economy class.
He is 6'7' tall and says he is suffering discomfort after flights and is requesting business class travel. We have a copy of a report from his osteopath who is concerned about the possibility of arthritis as he develops swollen joints after long-haul.
Any views welcome please - we are thinking that it may cause an influx of requests for business class (from me as well!!)
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Posted By Trevor Anstey
A lot of our engineers fly to the far east regularly & we had similar complaints, we therefore put in a policy that for flights in excess of 8hrs, consideration will be given to reserving "Bulk Head/ Emergency Exit" seats or the equivalent to "BA's World Traveller Plus" or "Virgin Economy Plus".
It helped that our GM at the time was very tall & built like an out house
Short term flights to Europe remain at Economy
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Posted By bill reilly This link reviews aspects of aviation medicine and roles of HSE and CAA on the topic.Page 17 refers to passenger ergonomics.It was published in 2007 and is a helpful background to the topic as it involves passengers and aircrew. http://www.publications....dselect/ldsctech/7/7.pdf
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Posted By Neil R
As above, i am 6ft 5 and would never consider economy class, i struggle to even fit my legs in!
Sitting in cramped conditions heightens the risk of joint swelling, deep vein thrombosis and muscle cramp.
Of course the root cause of this is penny pinching airlines and their ridiculous seat pitches, if i spent 70p on a bus ticket i expect to be cramped if i spend £200 odd pound on an airline ticket i expect some level of comfort anyway rant over.
You can reserve extra leg room seating in economy class for as little as £50 round trip, for someone tall like your guy is then extra legroom is essential for safety and comfort.
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Posted By Safe System
Do you think the employee forks out for business class seats everytime he goes on holiday when he has to pay for it? ;)
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Posted By Neil R
Safe System, He probably does what i do and reluctantly pays extra for extra legroom seats
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Posted By jervis
Sounds a bit of a tall story to me but safety first!
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Posted By Neil R
Jervis and anyone else posting negative comments, are any of you over 6ft tall? because if your not you don't really have any right to comment, people often see this problem as a joke but i can assure you it is serious.
It is extremely uncomfortable on most airlines and actually very dangerous on others, i once stood up for 3 hours on a flight because my feet were going numb when i was sat down. think about it,
average airline seat pitch- 27" my inside leg 33"?
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Posted By jervis
Neil no offence meant im 6ft 5 19stone so i now the problem just a bit of harmless humour.
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Posted By Peter F
Neil,
thought this was a discussion forum? We all have a right to comment and we don't have to agree on the content of each others postings.
I could say I'm over 6ft but I am not and still find sitting in cramped conditions uncomfortable.
Maybe a confined space assessment should be completed?
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Posted By Neil R
Apologies for my ranting.
I think most holiday airlines need a confined space assessment, a harness and winch are definetely required to get you out of the seat!
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Posted By Phil Rose
SS - I am hoping you post was a bit of humour, but if not. isn't what we do 'at home' and what we do 'at work' often two different things, mainly because at work we are covered under HASAWA etc? Only a thought
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Posted By GaryC40
Really, its a bit of a shame that the HS legislation even had to come into this debate. If you value the guys ablities then just book him on a better seat that will provide relative comfort. You should not have to post on this forum for advice, its common sense! Just produce the cash and give the guy a break. I'm 6,4 and 16 stone and i can tell you, travelling in 'average class' is not great! 6,7 must be a nightmare.
Would you enjoy being strapped in a child's booster seat for hours...no i thought so.
And please no criticism unless your qualified physically to comment.
Tut Tut
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Posted By GaryC40
Actually Neil in this case you do not have a right to comment unless your comments are reasonable.
A confined space assessment indeed - what a load of claptrap!
Get a grip man.
Sometimes i really to wonder.
GC
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Posted By Neil R
GaryC40, It was a joke! you know funny haha!!
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Posted By Neil R
Sometimes i do wonder about some safety people and their lack of humour or ability to recognise humour, no wonder the media have a field day
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Posted By Safe System
^^^^^
exactly.
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Posted By Homer
Could you not put him on as luggage? LOL!!!
Seriously, I would expect any decent employer to address this, most instance where foreign long haul travel is required are for lucrative contracts, for the sake of a couple of hundred it's nothing. Risk assessment!!
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Posted By CS Chen
In China, no additional charge on Exit Seat, so we will encourage employees to take that seat.
I would suggest a risk assessment done for such kind of awkawd posture and then take appropriate action based on your acceptable risk criteria.
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Posted By GaryC40
Very touchy about 'tallest' people - maybe Ive bumped my head to many times and lost my humour.
True story - i was once asked to leave a restaurant for blocking a route to the fire exit as i had repositioned my legs because they wouldn't fit under the table. I explained this politely to the waitress but was told that the restaurant could not cater for all sizes, only 'normal' people. I kid you not - i would name them but Mod would likely remove.
Abnormal tall person rant over
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Posted By Kate Gibb
It's not just tall people! I am just 5'8" but have an inside leg measurement of 33" (yes I do look like I'm on stilts). I often struggle on budget airline flights, although found some national airlines to offer much more room.
To get to the point though, my brother has an inside leg of 36" - he struggles on long haul flights and cannot afford the luxury of business class. However when booking he requests an exit/bulkhead seat. You can do this through most airlines now when you print your e-boarding ticket.
Otherwise, I would suggest you plump for business class on long haul flights. If your employees are a frequent fliers, maybe you can get airmiles. You can then use these for free/cheap upgrades. My partner has done this on numerous occasions.
I can understand the worry is that you will set a business class precedent, but this is an employee relations matter, rather than H&S!
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