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Posted By STEPHEN81
Does anyone know of any excuse I may use to remove a urinal, the urinal is locker in a room that is used to store 15 personal clothing lockers & employees are expected to change in this area. Problems with urine on the floor are persistent.
I taught the Welfare Regs might cover it?
Help please....
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Posted By Ian Blenkharn
If all you want is an excuse blame it on Elf 'n Safety, that seems to be quite popular!
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Posted By STEPHEN81
What kind of a response was that?
I worried about staff walking around in socks and bare feet and standing in urine.
Is that no a good enough reason to have it moved.
I don't listen to Wogan by the way!
There are more than enough toilets and urinals elsewhere in the factory, just this one is a problem, I think to health!!!!
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Posted By Chris Packham
Are there hand washing facilities local to the urinal? If not, then personal hygiene suggests that you have it removed - or install a handwashbasin. Which is likely to be cheaper?
Chris
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Posted By STEPHEN81
Hi Chris, yes there is a small sink beside it, no problems with,
but for some reason workers keep putting earplugs & chew gum down the urinal, blocking it then leaking from the u-bend (have asked nicely not to do this, plus signs also). It then spills over to the floor & mats have to get changed out of overalls. As I said, more than enough toilets available to use elsewhere, that's why I could perhaps remove it. I don't want guys standing is stagnant urine at any time.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Stephen
If there are enough toilets elsewhere, remove it; you have the justification.
Paul
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Posted By Ian Blenkharn
You ask 'what sort of answer was that?'
But you didn't want an answer, you didn't want any sound reasons to support what is obviously your choice of action, and you didn't even want some good ideas, you just asked for an excuse!
Using excuses is not an acceptable approach to the management of H&S is it?
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Posted By Pete48
Stephen, I guess that maybe you do not have the authority to remove it and you are seeking support to use in any request that you have to make to the person with the authority to do so?
If that is the case then your unfortunate use of the word "excuse" is understandable. Maybe the employees who use the facility don't want it removed and you need something that shows it is not just you that wants it removed?
I would recommend that you simply outline the problem in a quality of life way. Would such an arrangement be acceptable at home? Would the managers and others be happy to get dressed every morning standing on a urine soaked floor?
Have you any access to a medical unit? Might be worth getting their input. Infection risks must be higher than need be in the circumstances you outline.
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Posted By FAH
Hi Stephen.
I presume that you've actually had the offending [or is it offensive?] urinal & its associated plumbing thoroughly checked by a competent plumber??
Having ascertained that the plumbing is in a satisfactory condition; I also assume that you've explored the potential for PPE being worn; or just the location, and inadvertantly interfering with accurate aiming??
And, as you identify that the urinal is in a changing room, you've also checked that the "liquid" isn't coming from another source??
Of course, it could simply be the age-old problem of the users having delusions of grandeur - sorry, can't help you there!!!!!
Frank Hallett
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Posted By steven bentham
Sounds like 'elf and safety' gets the blame again . .
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Posted By MT
I don't think you need an excuse at all - what you have said seems to be reasonable. Unless you can have cleaners going into that room regularly and ensuring that the floor is always clean and dry, then I would remove that urinal. It sounds like a pretty strange setup!
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Posted By Peter F
Surly we can respond as professionals and give advice, OK he used the word 'excuse' instead of advice, guide etc. But that's what he is after.
You mentioned the Workplace regs, look at the seating arrangements if there is not enough, maybe you can look at getting the urinal moved for this reason (reg 240). Regulation 23 look at the facility and see if it is suitable accommodation for the storage of clothing,
and as you have mentioned there is enough sanitary conveniences you could finally ask for this one to be removed.
Work with the management and colleagues to make changes that improve your working conditions.
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Posted By A Campbell
An alternative is to look at why the hygiene levels are so low and the abuse of facilities by employees.
If employees abuse their right to be provided sanitary facilities... I expect it would also be the same if in a separate room?
Also look at effective monitoring and cleaning regime... how often is it being cleaned?
If you just look at asking management for removal without looking at all aspects then you may get a negative response!
I expect it's been installed and used in conjunction of a changing room for some time?
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Posted By STEPHEN81
Thank you for the people who provided sensible advice to me. I'm new in the management level of things. I'm more used to dealing with DSEAR, COSHH, CLAW & PUWER, not really with urinals.
And the guys who mentioned 'elf & safety obviously don't know how I conduct myself, I've come from realistic view on safety (military/aerospace)....oh well anyway, guess its just regulars who love bashing the new guys.
To the guys who gave sound advice I thank you, I mean.
Sorry to mix 'excuse' with 'advice' I was up since 2 in the morning with the little man when I wrote it.
Cheers.
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