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#1 Posted : 07 July 2009 08:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman I wondered if someone could explain to me whether the health and safety at work act is legally binding or whether it is just guidelines?
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#2 Posted : 07 July 2009 08:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter James The 1974 Act, like all other legislation, is the law; there are penalties for non-compliance, if you are caught. Paul
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#3 Posted : 07 July 2009 08:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M Part 1 of the 1974 Act regulates health safety and welfare in connection with work. It is the legal framework for everything else...'if caught' could mean someone being killed as well as a fine or imprisonment.
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#4 Posted : 07 July 2009 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Look at the number of presecutions listed on the HSE website under various sections of the HASAWA 74. Really is legally binding in itself.
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#5 Posted : 07 July 2009 08:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT Any Act or set of Regulations is legally binding. Approved Codes of Conduct are not, however they are considered to be best practice and you would be expected to take them into account when considering how best to comply with Acts or Regulations.
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#6 Posted : 07 July 2009 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By claret65 James, The 1974 Act is the primary source of health and safety law in the UK. It received 'royal assent' after completing the parliamentary process as a 'bill'. The HASAWA 1974 is therefore criminal law and must be complied with or criminal prosecution could follow. The judicial process could lead to fines or inprisonment or both. The majority of sections found within the 1974 Act places a qualifying duty on the employer to ensure the H & S of their employees 'as is reasonably practicable'(assessment of cost benefit against removal or reduction of risk). This enabled the initiators' of the Act, the Robens' Committee in 1972, to implement 'self-regulation' and to move away from earlier prescriptive legislation. They concluded this old type 'tick-list' legislation promoted apathy. Interestingly, the forward-thinking 1972 Committee realised the need to ensure the 1974 Act was 'enabling' in nature, and this provided the mechanism to make statutory instruments (Regulations) under it. The 'semi-quasi' Approved Codes of Practice (ACOP) and HSG guidance complement the Regulations.The ACOP is not strictly legally-binding, but will be used as evidence that a breach of statutory duty has occurred, unless the Defendant can demonstrate that their methodology has equalled or is better than the provisions found in a Regulation. Importantly, today the enabling mechanism found in the HASAWA 74 provides the UK with a means to implement the majority of H & S legislation now made from the EC in the form of 'Directives'. Unfortunately, one of the primary aims of the Robens' Committee was to reduce the amount of legislation produced, but as history has demonstrated, the 1974 Act has not realised that ambition.
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#7 Posted : 07 July 2009 12:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel If somebody is asking you for advice I would strongly advise that you commission a professional to assist you as your question sets my hair on end
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#8 Posted : 07 July 2009 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By claret65 Bob, Please expand on your comment?
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#9 Posted : 07 July 2009 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 , also referred to as HASAW or HSW, is the primary piece of legislation covering occupational health and safety in the United Kingdom. The Health and Safety Executive is responsible for enforcing the Act James, what is the reason for your query?
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#10 Posted : 07 July 2009 14:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman The reason for my query is that for sometime now I have been very disappointed with some of the replies that some of the users give on this forum to people who obviously just need help and advice but instead get put down. I noticed a thread yesterday from a moderator who suggested that some people don't post because of the attitude of some, and I'm afraid I agree. But, I must say that I was pleasently supprised by the responses I got and I think that is a credit to those that gave them. It was a shame that Bob had to prove the initial point. The forum is a great place for dicussion and learning and I hope that those with a positive approach over shadow those who just want to mock people. Apologies to those that took the time to give a helpful answer, but you showed the worth of site.
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#11 Posted : 07 July 2009 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick James, So you deliberately asked a "Doh" question to see how people would react? Regards Ken
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#12 Posted : 07 July 2009 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman Yes. I feel a little guilty about it, but it showed that the forum can work as it's meant to.
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#13 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp mmm...at the risk of being chastised I'm not sure it is really good form to ask a bogus question in order to judge the responses. I accept that responses on this forum can be varied and a few are unhelpful. Surely, there are enough genuine threads to ascertain the the adequacy of responses. A number of people have taken the time and trouble to provide a response to what they believed was a genuine, if somewhat odd, question. Does one thread provide an unequivocal answer anyway?
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#14 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman No, it doesn't prove anything, but it might give some confidence to some people.
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#15 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By andrew morris James, James, James.... Looking back over the thread, no one has even pointed out that the date is wrong in your title... :-) Whilst a little devious (and who is h&s hasn't been a little devious to get their point across), I agree with your basic point. I posted a thread over a year ago, along a similar line suggesting that there was someway of users giving an indication of their experience/quals when giving answers - like a personal backpage, so that people who ask questions get to understand where their answers came from - but I got shouted down by the masses who said "This is a public forum - everyone has the right to post whatever they like". Perhaps IOSH could look in to a star rating scheme, so that other users can rate answers to a thread (obviously not individuals - that would be too controversial)... Ps. Please warn me next time - so I don't leave a stupid answer...
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#16 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis "I noticed a thread yesterday from a moderator who suggested that some people don't post because of the attitude of some, and I'm afraid I agree" ??? James - are you a chartered memebr (cMIOSH)?
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#17 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman Swis, What's with the ???. I read on a thread a comment by one of the moderators. Is there an issue with that? What would being a cMIOSH have to do with anything?
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#18 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safety officer Everyone noticed the mistake in the title and that's why they have corrected it in their posts, which was very kind of them not to point out the mistake as they obviously did not want to embarrass the poster who seemed to need help. James do you wonder why some people are cynical when you have silly people playing tricks? You could use your time better I think. This forum is full of generous and helpful people.
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#19 Posted : 07 July 2009 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Completely agree with safety officer. Forums are a useful tool for learning. However, the question here would be the fact that whether you get a detailed response on the forum or a just a vague one (not that you get response or not). Yes, some people (including me) do get ‘nasty’ on occasion when posters ask questions with ‘weird’ approach but majority of posts will address the question in a decent manner. James – I’m not being funny but just wanted to know which moderator had made those remarks. That’s all. I know a person called ‘James Denman’ who is an experienced H&S professional. I could never imagine him asking this type of vague question & making an obvious mistake on quoting the fundamental Act. P.S. This thread is in breach of AUG 3 now.
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#20 Posted : 07 July 2009 16:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Edward Shyer hi James just to clarify it is the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 and not the Health and Safety at Work Act 1975. regards Ted
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#21 Posted : 07 July 2009 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By IOSH Moderator The original question has been answered, and this thread is now in danger of going off at a tangent and staying there. Time to call it a day by locking it. Jane
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