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Posted By Junebug
I have a query a colleague of mine passed to me. Her organisation works with young persons and takes these young persons to events such as Pride. She asked me whether the following was suitable and i said not really.
'Our staff have recently taken out members of the youth group to pride week. Their control measures were as follows:
They met the young persons (under 18 but over 16) at a station, travelled with them to pride and then left them on their own until a designated time. At the designated time they 'offered' to walk them back to the train station so they can get home. They asked the parents to sign a disclaimer saying that they were not responsible for them during the event.'
My opinion:
A disclaimer means nothing if something actually happens to these teens
they are young persons and should have more supervision
offering to walk them to the station is not suitable, bearing in mind the event was in another town!
they are taking them to the event so they should take care of them during the event
it sounds to me like a responsibility cop out
they should be accompanying the teens throughout the day, and then home to the meeting station where their parents will be there to meet them, or will know what time to expect them home.
There are other things i have advised like potential risk of attack during the event, having set rules re: drinking, getting contact numbers of teens and parents in case they need to contact each other in an emergency etc etc.
What does everyone think? Is my advice going too far, or not far enough? What would those of you who are parents think of letting your teen go out of town, take care of themselves and then essentially find their own way home. What would the disclaimer mean to you?
Wrote this really fast so if you need any other info let me know.
June.
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Posted By martinw
Bit of a toughie June - depends I supposse being totally pragmatic, whether the people are actually 'looking after' the young people, and to what limits their responsibilities extend. If it is a controlled visit like a school trip(doesn't souund like it though) then the in loco parentis stuff kicks in - responsibility, safeguarding, H&S etc. But if they are there effectively as a taxi service who then pick them up at the end of the event, then they may be doing nothing wrong(?).
The young persons are not at work: sixteen year olds regularly go to events and gigs unless age limits stop them and proof is required(and even then they go).
So I know where you are coming from but it may be that the people ferrying the youngsters are just getting a disclaimer because their insurers tell them to: they may or may not legally require a disclaimer. Your friend will have to give more details about the organisation's exact role prior to making any judgements.
Sorry, did not mean to cound like a cop-out, but need more info from your friend.
Martin
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Posted By Junebug
thanks for the response. Its a charity who works with young persons (as much as I can say). They arrange events for young persons. The teens are part of a youth group, hence my 'argument' that there should be more supervision and responsibility.
You have however, given me something to think about re: why they are arranging things this way, perhaps it is put to parents as a 'taxi' service. The only thing is that these kids attend this youth group regularly and this is a youth group event & unfortunately in the world we live in these kids are 'vulnerable to attack' re: their sexuality (hopefully i said that so as not to offend). There are always idiots out there just waiting for events like these to ruin and spoil everything with worthless attacks. About as much as I can say without giving it away. Tnx.
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Posted By Pete48
June, surely this is not about disclaimers but about informed parental consent? Clarity of who is responsible for what is paramount. 16-18 year youngsters go places on their own all the time and at all sorts of hours. What are the special risks here and how do they get controlled? Would an adult presence really make any difference or would it merely cause embarrassment to the young people?
It just needs planning and clear communication with written parental/carer consent to those arrangements unless it is part of an organised schools/education event and is subject to controls in that area.
Mind you, based on your description it does feel as though there are some loose ends that may leave parents/carers thinking this is a totally supervised visit?
Hope that view helps.
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Posted By DougB
I work with a Youth Group as a volunteer.
All "volunteers" and workers require to be checked out re protection measures. Not sure why someone would arrange to take "vulnerable"? persons to an event and then leave them to their own devices even with Parental consent?
Why would you place yourself in such a position should something go wrong eg illness, someone getting lost or injured.
Do you really have to place yourself or the organisation at risk since based on the ages the individuals can attend such events under their own steam?
If it is clear such visits are part of an "organised trip" then stricter controls would be necessary in my view.
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