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SHV  
#1 Posted : 14 March 2010 06:20:45(UTC)
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SHV

Some Guidance say: Forklift driver has right to pass during moving forklift and some say pedestrain has right to pass first.

Which one has right to pass first??if we say pedestrain ,there is possibility that driver has load and due to breaking ,it could cause load fell off on ground or hit the pedestrain .

Any comment??

SHV
Brian Miller  
#2 Posted : 14 March 2010 08:07:59(UTC)
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Brian Miller

SHV wrote:
Some Guidance say: Forklift driver has right to pass during moving forklift and some say pedestrain has right to pass first.

Which one has right to pass first??if we say pedestrain ,there is possibility that driver has load and due to breaking ,it could cause load fell off on ground or hit the pedestrain .

Any comment??

SHV


Surely the implementation of a suitable management system would/should keep the two activities apart -
Pedestrians & Fork Lifts are not the best of bedfellows;
The forseeability of harm coming to people should be the driver (no pun) to segregation via risk assessment & the application of controls such as traffic routes being marked out & enforced (signage whilst being a part of the controls would not suffice on its own - hard barriers should also be considered).
The induction process should include an explanation & visual to such hazards in any work place.
Alan Haynes  
#3 Posted : 14 March 2010 08:22:52(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

SHV wrote:
........... if we say pedestrain ,there is possibility that driver has load and due to breaking ,it could cause load fell off on ground or hit the pedestrain .

Any comment??

SHV


Yes - sounds like 'travelling with an unsafe load' to me.

The fork lift should always be able to stop safely, and if it cannot, something needs changing.
SHV  
#4 Posted : 14 March 2010 08:49:23(UTC)
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SHV

Thanks for the comments. Regardless of putting strong SMS in place and proper segregation of forklift path and pedestrians, I think we should think about practicably of the issues which we offer. If we say the load should be secured, how much secure? Again is depends …

SHV
stephendclarke  
#5 Posted : 14 March 2010 09:03:40(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi,
The Workplace HS&W Regs require amongst other things that pedestrians and vehicles are able to circulate in a safe manner, that traffic routes are suitable for the persons or vehicles using them, that pedestrians and vehicles are able to use a traffic route without causing danger, that there is sufficient separation of pedestrians and vehicles and that traffic routes are suitably indicated. To ensure this happens the fork lift guidance (HSG6) recommends safe systems of work and physical protection such as separation of pedestrians from vehicle routes by physical barriers, clear marking of pedestrian routes, designated areas and crossing points, one-way operation for trucks, clear routes, direction signs, audible/visual warning devices (horn/reversing bleeper/flashing beacons), high visibility clothing etc etc.
Cheers
Steve
Lee Mac  
#6 Posted : 14 March 2010 09:19:00(UTC)
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Lee Mac

SHV

It basically boils down to your assessment of the risk and the implementation of suitable and sufficient controls i.e. in the main in instances similar to this, as a previous poster has suggested, you should (where possible) separate the the pedestrian and vehicular access and egress routes. Regarding the movement of all loads- they must be secured prior to any progress being made by the FLT.

The following link should provide you with the information to enable you to make an informed decision:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo...personnel/lifttrucks.htm

Regards

Lee
Guru  
#7 Posted : 14 March 2010 09:45:13(UTC)
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Guru

IMHO, I dont buy into the arguement that loads will fall off if you were to adopt a pedestrian priority policy. If your trucks operate at a safe speed (snail pace where necessary where the interaction may occur), and the load is packed securely and carried the way it should be, then there should be no problem introducing a pedestian priority policy.

Drivers hate anything interfering with them getting a load from A to B as quick as possible.




firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 14 March 2010 09:54:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

You need to consider who/what will come to more harm if there is a collision?

I believe, and if you read the Highway Code (I know possibly not relevant here but still important) pedestrians come first priority.

I agree separation is essential but not always practical, neither is hard barriers sometimes.

Do all you can to ensure pedestrian safety.

Safe loading - I also agree the load should always be secure and the flt be able to emergency stop - safely.



SHV  
#9 Posted : 14 March 2010 16:22:13(UTC)
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SHV

Thanks all for the comments.

Ok we are speaking about the securing the load ,what about stopping distance or forklift stability!!!

If the forklift ,lift a load at 0.30 times the rated capacity, full braking cause forklift tip over!!! and forklift in 6 Km/h speed needs at least 3 meters to stop safely!!!So which one has right to pass first ?

Again all depends......

SHV
Steve Sedgwick  
#10 Posted : 14 March 2010 21:50:10(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

It is not always practicable to physically segregate.

A car travelling at 30 MPH has priority over the pedestrian ie the sensible pedestrian lets him pass rather cross its path.

With regard to the question forget the idea about who has priority.

Train the pedestrians and drivers who work in these areas to make eye contact with each to check that each is aware of the other.

Never assume that a mobile plant driver has seen you, the visibility from some mobile plant is in some cases very very poor. I once investigated an incident where a transit van parked up to let a 25tonne side loader turn right and pass. The side loader hit the van. Although the van was a write off the occupants only received minor injuries. The visibility of the side loader was such that the side loader could not see the transit van in the position it parked.

The answer is Keep Clear of mobile plant. If someone does need to pass close by "Make eye contact" to ensure that each is aware of the other.
Steve
RayRapp  
#11 Posted : 14 March 2010 23:24:33(UTC)
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RayRapp

As a number of people have commented, FLTs and pedestrians should be separated where possible. It is not always possible to have good segregation and therefore both FLT drivers and pedestrains need to be aware of the limitations and controls needed for safe working. In principle FLTs should have the right of way. A pedestrain should not walk in front of a FLT driver unless they have express permission. All loads must be secure, the FLT driver should be able to stop safely and the driver should not have visibility impaired by the load.
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