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Hi All
Can anyone please point me in the direction of the regs I need to read regarding gas safety in a schools environment?
Or advise the current thinking regarding Gas safety shut off valves in classrooms-ie whether they are ok to be manual shut offs or should they have all been replaced with automatic/electrical shut offs?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Best regards
Matt
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Matt; what is your employment role so as I can help; as if you are not a H&S person I advise that you get one to advise you
The reason I ask the question and present the advice that I have is because many schools are now dropping H&S professionals in favour of well meaning people whereas professionals / people training to be professionals should be employed
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Matt. The old Corgi site [registration is now via Gas Safe] has information on non-domestic gas systems.
http://www.corgi-direct.com/non-domestic/_/ghbnd. My personal assessment is a manual valve, well signed, and out of accidental knock off range, would be best. You can see when it is on and when it is off. + Cheap and simple. Automatic always have to be tested and recorded. followed by another procedure to allow the automatic system to be reset & put back on, + expensive. Peter
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Hi Bob
I am the H&S manager on the site, do not have any background in gas though and have today been asked the question.
Thanks Peter, I will have a look and see what I can find on the website.
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M
Thanks; I think that U know where I am coming from
Also speak to your local building regs and fire people for their thoughts as this is not a new question so they [the experts] may have a history to give U
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If you are referring to DT classrooms, BS4163 - COP for design of DT areas says the following;
Mains gas installations........
NOTE The Gas Act 1985, amended Gas Act 1995 and the Gas Safety
(Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 (as amended) apply to gas
installations. It is essential that all work on gas appliances is carried out
by an HSE approved installer.
5.3.1 Main isolator.....
Emergency control valves should be situated as follows:
• as near as practicable to the point where the gas supply enters the
building, either internally or externally;
• in a readily accessible position;
• so that the key or lever (handle) is parallel to the pipe when the
valve is open and pulled down to close;
• with a test point fitted downstream of each valve.
NOTE The emergency control valve key or lever should be securely
attached to the valve.
Emergency control valves should be clearly labelled.
Room isolation.......
Design and technology work areas with gas equipment should have a
means of isolating the gas supply to the room. The means of isolation
should be in a readily accessible position and should be clearly marked,
but should not be readily accessible to students. The means of isolation
should be either a manual valve, or a fail-safe electrically operated
solenoid valve that may form part of an emergency stop system within
the room.
Fixed installations using liquefied petroleum gas......
Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) should be supplied by hard pipe from
cylinders located outside the building in the open air. Cylinders should
be securely fixed in an upright position with the valve uppermost.
Manifold systems should incorporate a main shut-off valve and a
regulator downstream (appropriately set), and a non-return valve
downstream of these.
NOTE It is essential that all work on these appliances is carried out by
an HSE approved installer.
LPG fired appliances should be fitted with appropriate safeguards
(e.g. flame failure devices, shut-off valves, pilot burners).
Science classrooms may differ. Hope this helps
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IGEM reissued IGEM/UP/11 'Gas installations for educational establishments' last June (2010) and there are perhaps some issues ofmisinterpretation out there.
My reading is that a manual shut-off is perfectly adequate in technical and food science rooms provided it is in a readily accessible position for use by teaching and technical staff.
Only where it is not practicable to install a manual isolation valve in a readily accessible position, or where it is required to interlock the gas supply with other safety systems such as air flow, fire or gas detection is an automatic means of isolation required.
You can read a precis of IGEM/UP/11 at the IGEM website. A bit pricey to buy though.
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Oops...I fell foul of the Mods and copyright issues, apologies. In short you can have either a manual or auto gas shut off. Refer to BS4163
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