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s-moody  
#1 Posted : 15 July 2011 12:53:01(UTC)
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s-moody

I have been asked the question above by a friend who's partner was stopped from hanging some fire doors even though he has been hanging them for years as a qualified carpenter and holds relevant industry SCS card. Was this just an over zealous architect or is this something that carpenters now have to pass to be qualified. I am as you can rather not in the construction industry but this seems strange as fire doors are hung no differently than other doors apart from the need to ensure spacing is correct. I would appreciate some feed back on this and if indeed there is now a certificate could someone point me in the right direction to find details. Thanks Sally
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 15 July 2011 13:00:37(UTC)
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firesafety101

If not a requirement it is certainly desirable to have trained and certified contractors fit fire resisting doors. I have recently experienced poor workmanship in new installations, smoke seals missing, glazing not FR and door closers not correctly fitted. A fire resisting door comes in a door set and includes the frame and door furniture, nothing additional should be added as it may affect the integrity. There is also the matter of sealing the area surrounding the frame with FR materials. The installers need to know what they are doing. There are third party fire door certification schemes and if you use one of the web search engines you will find them. I would suggest contacting the manufacture of the doorsets for their view.
s-moody  
#3 Posted : 15 July 2011 13:04:40(UTC)
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s-moody

Thanks for the reply I will certainly look in the areas suggested.
MaxPayne  
#4 Posted : 15 July 2011 13:38:04(UTC)
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MaxPayne

http://www.bwf.org.uk/firedoors/ Some useful information here.
rockybalboa  
#5 Posted : 15 July 2011 14:58:37(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Couldnt you get the joiner to hang the fire doors and then have a competent fire risk assessor inspect the doors to see if they are up to standard / suitable and sufficient. If they pass, no probs, if not, modify the problem. Just like a fire RA would inspect the doors only youre doing it just after they are hung. Personally I think the joiner would turn the air blue at the suggestion of him not being able to hang a door, well, if he was a good joiner anyway.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:00:43(UTC)
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firesafety101

I'm a fire risk assessor but not a joiner. How do you think a good joiner would react if I tell him his fire doors are not fitted correctly? Better to have a competent joiner in the first place.
MaxPayne  
#7 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:04:43(UTC)
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MaxPayne

ChrisBurns wrote:
I'm a fire risk assessor but not a joiner. How do you think a good joiner would react if I tell him his fire doors are not fitted correctly? Better to have a competent joiner in the first place.
I'm an ex-joiner and now a fire risk assessor (amongst other skills). Most fire RA's wouldn't know necessarily unless there was a blindingly obvious fault. The chippy should be competent, should follow the manufacturers installation guidance and if you wanted to confirm compliance after installation, I'd gsuggest this was done by a competent surveyer who would be looking for complinace with Part B of the Building Regs
s-moody  
#8 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:26:32(UTC)
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s-moody

Thanks all for your comments most are what I had thought. Apparently the friends partner was on a site about to hang the doors when he got told by the architect that the person hanging them needed to be certificated. As you can imagine he was not best pleased but wanted to check if this was something he should have if it was now a requirement. Looking at the links provided it would appear that it is the doors that shold be certified but a qualified joiner should be able to fit them as people have stated.
bleve  
#9 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:32:55(UTC)
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bleve

By prior agreement, I insist that the installer provides a written statement of installation to BS 8214: 2008
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:56:18(UTC)
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firesafety101

You may find that the requirement has come from the client's tender spec?
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