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Hi all
This may needs some opinions rather than hard and fast law...
Do employees think less of CMIOSH achieved through the NVQ level 5 + NEBOSH open book than those that are achieved through straight exams?
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Do you mean employers ?
To be honest I dont think most employers would even know there was a difference in how people acheived CMIOSH.
I think this is something thats usually more in the mind of people who have done either the NVQ or the diploma in a sense that each wants to think theirs is the hardest and therfor most superior route.
If I was an employer the fact they had CMIOSH would demonstrate their acheivement and committment but I would be more interested in how their past experience matched the job role on offer.
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Paul
I did mean employers, yes -sorry that's my fat fingers!
Thanks for your feedback. The NVQ seems like a much more work friendly route and is a lot less money for the same result, which is the reason that I asked the question...
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If you do a search of this forum you will find endless discussion on this subject. Your search results will show that usually those who have NEBOSH diploma or MSc are firmly of the opinion that their's is the preferred option of employers, and those with the NVQ are equally firm in their opinion that the NVQ is the preferred option. At no point in your search will you find any firm evidence to support either case, just deeply entrenched, intractable views based feelings of superiority and prejudice.
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As long as you get to your goal - how you get there is your choice based on your own circumstances - time, money, learning style etc etc as PL53 says do a search this has been discussed many times.
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PL53 wrote:If you do a search of this forum you will find endless discussion on this subject. Your search results will show that usually those who have NEBOSH diploma or MSc are firmly of the opinion that their's is the preferred option of employers, and those with the NVQ are equally firm in their opinion that the NVQ is the preferred option. At no point in your search will you find any firm evidence to support either case, just deeply entrenched, intractable views based feelings of superiority and prejudice.
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I would add that you might want to look at the job adds themselves and see how many ask for each type.
Chris
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Thanks for all of your input.
Chris - good idea I will be doing that!
I guess I am asking those who are responsible for hiring H&S professionals at any level (advisor / officer / manager). What would your preference be?
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Hi Ashley,
just to add to your confusion, I have worked in 3 -4 different industry sectors and never once has my membership level been the deciding issue over whether I got the job or not, for me it was my experience that usually got me through.
However where I was pipped to the post, was by someone with a degree. With hind sight I wish I'd done the degree instead of the NVQ, and the NVQ will only get you to Grad IOSH, and to move on, there's more pain after that.
Simon
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No it does not really matter at all - I've been involved as a safety professional for many years and the only place its debated is on these boards.
From an employers perspective - they want somebody who can do the job - the bits of paper and how they are achieved them are not that high on the list. knowledge and experience are.
I have a DIP & the NVQ plus Post Grad Qualifications - so I have a sound understanding of all routes but when I recruit it plays very little part in my decision making.
Interestingly enough thought - I have never actually employed anyone with a DIP, its always been the NVQ or University educated candidates who have progressed.
The best person suited to the role will / should get the job. Many things to consider apart from CMIOSH route for me.
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Morning Ashley,
I have interviewed and appointed a number of H&S people before now, these posts have usually been advertised as GradIOSH minimum. I have appointed people with both Dips and NVQs (never had a university graduate apply), and to be honest as far as employability goes I have no preference. Most of the interviewees have had diplomas, though that's more to do with the type of work I think than anything else, and the one succesful NVQ person turned out to be unsuited to the post, but that was more about their personality and experience than their qualification route. In short, as long as the candidate met the minimum spec and demonstrated the right aptitude at interview they got the job, whatever route they had taken to get the membership level. Can't speak for other employers, but for me NVQ/Dip/Degree are equivalent as routes to gain Grad/CMIOSH,
John
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I agree with most of my peers. There will always be banter between those whom chosen different routes. I did the NVQ and have applied for positions who recruit for Diploma, most job specs are created by HR who may not know that there are equivalent. As an employer I have been shocked at the number of candidates who have CMIOSH and can't do a risk assessment or don't understand the basics of behavioural safety.
As it has been said before; experience and working knowledge are key to me. A good solid CV is very important but not as important as testing the competency within that CV.
(crikey 8 spelling mistakes in 6 lines :()
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