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paulw71  
#1 Posted : 16 December 2014 15:20:52(UTC)
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paulw71

paulw71  
#2 Posted : 16 December 2014 15:23:34(UTC)
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paulw71

paulw71 wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-30493712
Mods may want to look at this to see if comments are allowed ????? Just realized it hasnt gone to court yet.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 16 December 2014 15:25:58(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I am not sure what there is to discuss. Allowing (encouraging?) people to drink liquid nitrogen (temperature −195.79 °C) is really stupid. So let’s see what excuses they come up justifying this. See http://en.wikipedia.org/...iquid_nitrogen_cocktail.
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 16 December 2014 15:28:36(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Same sort of stupidity but similar outcome-http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2691229.stm
walker  
#5 Posted : 16 December 2014 15:36:46(UTC)
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walker

I agree we maybe ought to hold fire. But I'm glad it reached the courts at least. Lets hope they do the right thing.
paulw71  
#6 Posted : 16 December 2014 15:44:44(UTC)
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paulw71

Agreed. Just one thing. I thought that pubs and clubs came under local authority remit and not HSE ?
Route66  
#7 Posted : 16 December 2014 16:24:53(UTC)
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Route66

paulw71 wrote:
I thought that pubs and clubs came under local authority remit and not HSE ?
That'll be why the article refers to "Lancaster City Council said court proceedings will take place against the George Street wine bar, one of its directors and an employee." ;-)
paulw71  
#8 Posted : 16 December 2014 16:27:10(UTC)
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paulw71

Think ive totally lost the plot lately. Thanks for that.
andrewcl  
#9 Posted : 17 December 2014 11:39:00(UTC)
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andrewcl

I think the main problem is that people still think of cryogenic substances (including dry ice - temp -78C) as toys. Various people on TV (Not sure if I can name them...) use liquid nitrogen for fun and cooking in a quite irresponsible manner, in the public domain, setting a poor example to others. Some people also use it for legitimate experiments (making artificial hailstones...) but without the minimum protection. One of my questions would be "Where the hell did a public bar get a hold of some liquid nitrogen?"
paulw71  
#10 Posted : 17 December 2014 11:52:56(UTC)
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paulw71

I dont think it would be as difficult as you might imagine.
RayRapp  
#11 Posted : 17 December 2014 12:27:51(UTC)
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RayRapp

I recall this incident being reported by the media at the time and was aghast at the irresponsible practice. What a shame this 'recreational' practice was not identified to the authorities and prohibited before these terrible injuries were sustained by the IP.
Isaac J Threadbare  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2014 15:42:17(UTC)
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Isaac J Threadbare

Come on chaps, let us not pussyfoot about this subject. If anyone drinks this stuff they have to have a very poor grasp on reality or be hammered out of their minds. For anyone to give or sell this stuff to someone knowing they intend to drink it then they should be either tested for brainstem death or locked away for the sake of humanity. Why is it that this item is not shouted from the rooftops as being an insane practice tantamount to Grievous Bodily Harm? At a rough guess, sniffing glue who be a reasonable option
Isaac J Threadbare  
#13 Posted : 18 December 2014 15:46:11(UTC)
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Isaac J Threadbare

Please note that I am not talking about the or any pending court cases but about the practice of selling these drinks in general as this has been going on for some time and therefore there is no requirement to remove this posting.
andrewcl  
#14 Posted : 18 December 2014 16:13:41(UTC)
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andrewcl

Oh yeah, there's more... https://www.wpi.edu/news/19989/nitro.html http://www.telegraph.co....en-kitchen-accident.html I agree with Isaac - anyone who wants to use this stuff to make a smokey effect on a cocktail needs to be told what it is really all about!
Xavier123  
#15 Posted : 18 December 2014 16:39:31(UTC)
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Xavier123

Consumers tend to operate on the basis that if something is for sale then it must be safe or in some way 'checked' by authority. Safe by default. The use of liquid nitrogen regularly on television etc. in rather haphazard and laissez faire ways does not help the man on the street form a reasonable judgement. Those with a more sceptical mind know that the authorities are in no way approving everything that takes place or is sold. The legislation simply isn't written that way and, indeed, authorities from all walks of life are increasingly reactive these days thanks to ongoing cuts. Aren't we always having to consider foreseeable human behaviour within risk assessments? I kinda expect people to try and do daft things that I both personally and professionally view as unsafe.
Andrew Bober  
#16 Posted : 18 December 2014 21:05:32(UTC)
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Andrew Bober

My only comment is the surprise it has taken two years for this to come to court.
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