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will hampson  
#1 Posted : 06 June 2016 20:10:22(UTC)
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will hampson

Hi everyone

after abit of advice
trying to make myself more employable if i join the CIEH will it make me more
employable? i recently passed NCRQ cert but lack H&S job experience done loads of courses but not got any real job H&S experience so trying to get a starter job but not getting any interviews so thought of joining cieh to maybe open doors etc.

thanks for your time
aud  
#2 Posted : 06 June 2016 20:48:39(UTC)
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aud

Hi Will. Not for me, and I did quite a bit of recruiting. Not a fan of CIEH, don't think it is that relevant to H&S. Equally, I wouldn't reject either.

Relevant additional memberships / qualifications for me would be around teaching, coaching, ergonomics, legal, marketing etc.

Getting to an interview is the first step, so selling what you do have, such as relevant qualifications as you mention, but also make most of any transferable skills at all - sales, training, communication, marketing, investigation, report writing (or just writing for some!), IT, stats, first aider, evidence that you are a personable individual able to get on with all types, any experience where you have been a coal-face worker (having had to wear PPE, use lifting equipment etc) all of these add up.

You must have had some kind of work beforehand. Draw out what you can from this.

There are different styles of CV to suit those with less experience or to limit focus on qualification, best to source good guidance on this. If applying for jobs in the public sector, the non-cv online applications are a right pain, but do offer opportunity to say how you fit the 'person spec' which may suit your situation better.

Good luck, good hunting.
gerrysharpe  
#3 Posted : 07 June 2016 05:28:02(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

I'm an accredited Associate member with the CIEH, Its useful if you want to follow heath and safety down that route or working with the local authority, Food, or Hospitality areas, as with everything in life Experience as well as qualifications good, joining just to put something else of your CV is pretty expensive with membership costing around £200 a year.

Good luck in what you decide
lorna  
#4 Posted : 07 June 2016 09:00:57(UTC)
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lorna

As a long-standing member of both CIEH & IOSH, I've been able to compare the two. Would I join CIEH if I was starting again? No (but I'm not going to state my reasons publicly).
I have only kept my membership because I'm self-employed & might need to consider a local authority or food auditing contract at some point in the future. IMHO it's my Environmental Health degree that's considered more valuable than my membership of CIEH.
If you're hunting for H&S jobs, in whatever sector, stick with IOSH.
SHV  
#5 Posted : 08 June 2016 20:24:19(UTC)
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SHV

As most people said, if you have interest or active in food safety stuff, catering .. it could be good..better option is look to see how you can join to Engineering Council.... either in TEch Level or higher, it will take a bit time but in long term, it would enhance chance of employ-ability in most sectors


SHV
gerrysharpe  
#6 Posted : 09 June 2016 09:35:51(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Will, You can join a variety of associations, with your level 6 NCRQ certificate, however unless you have some experience or want to expand into that particular area, then it could be a very expensive way each year just for the sake of a certificate.

why don't you look at widening and complementing your H&S qualifications with say for example doing a Foundation Certificate from the Institute of Industrial Accident Investigators ? Or Doing an Environmental management course Via IEMA or similar, These are all branches that some H&S managers have covered and should prove to be more popular to a company looking to take on a Health & Safety professional.

I did an Internal Auditors course ISO 14001:2015 and this was to compliment my Role as H&S manager for a few Engineering Companies that i work for, The Industrial Accident course was also something which looked good when discussing experiences and qualifications with businesses.

So keep it in line with what your going to do, and you'll be surprised how much interest you'll get.

will hampson  
#7 Posted : 09 June 2016 11:25:30(UTC)
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will hampson

Hi Gerry

I did the IEMA foundation course and Industrial Accident course good courses learnt a lot from them got membership of IIAI as well which was a bonus.

I had a look at the 14001 course can do it online through http://auditmentor.com/ which is probably
best option for me due to work I mite enroll once I can afford it.

my job is due to end soon as the work is nearly done and I am a agency worker doing admin stats map plans etc.
I only get 1 weeks notice and I have told agency about new qualifications NCRQ ,PTLLS etc but they haven’t got back to me yet on any roles.

I am Trying to avoid agency work as much as possible thou the wages they pay seem to change every week due to there fees etc.

I have been doing loads of courses on weekends to boost my cv.
just awaiting reply from local council and red cross for volunteer opportunities to get some H&S experience.

thanks again for the advice
will
gerrysharpe  
#8 Posted : 10 June 2016 16:34:20(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Will,

Get your CV done, and get some of the more experienced guys on here to go through with you in case you need to make amendments. Once you've got a Bullet Proof CV, Then its time to sell yourself.

What Kind of H&S do you want to cut your teeth into?? Once you know you need to target companies and send them your CV and Letter. If your really keen to try and make it in H&S then go self employed, as opposed to trying to get a full time job and offer to do a few hours a week for different companies.

Soon you will be asked to work a bit more and hopefully make enough hours to make it worth your while. Another angle you could look into is helping companies with their CHAS accreditation, A lot of smaller firms will not be so lucky to have the benefit of a full time H&S adviser, so look at this and perhaps this could be a step in the door for you.

Especially with Building Companies and self employed contractors

But you need to decide what kind of H&S you want to do

Hope i've given you a few ideas to play with
Graham Bullough  
#9 Posted : 10 June 2016 23:04:39(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Though some people mistakenly think that the I in IOSH stands for Institute, it's actually Institution. As such it's on a par with other professional bodies like the highly respected Institution of Civil Engineers and therefore (some might argue) of superior status to institutes such as the CIEH (Chartered Institute of Environmental Health) !!!! :-)

Seriously though, for those with a background and/or interest in disciplines related to OS&H, such as environmental health, it might be worthwhile maintaining or taking out some sort of membership of the related professional bodies, not least in order to add more strings to their metaphorical bows. For example, during my time working in OS&H, I knew at least two highly qualified members of IOSH who were also members of CIPD (Chartered Institute of Personnel & Development).

Graham B
will hampson  
#10 Posted : 12 June 2016 19:49:24(UTC)
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will hampson

thanks Gerry, Graham for advice.

modified my cv a little with bullet points etc and got my first interview tomorrow with a large building company in Manchester area. with any look
i might get a start in H&S and gain some experience then i can increase skills.

thanks will
Darren Guy  
#11 Posted : 29 June 2016 11:44:32(UTC)
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Darren Guy

I think at the end of the day it comes down to what employers believe are the skills and associations required to make you attractive to them. I'm sure many members have been told that its essential to have 'IOSH' at some level on a CV - in some circles that also depends if you were a diploma or NVQ and probably an environmental association, such as the favoured IEMA as well, will be a requirement (when multi skilled practitioners were needed). Recruitment agencies also use search criteria and find you on LinkedIn and CV library because you have the words 'CMIOSH and Manufacturing' as an example associated with your name.....now there's a clue to get plenty of interest! As one member mentioned, CIEH is seen as the benchmark for EHO's and associated trades in food or housing control for example, and was useful for me when I qualified in Environmental Health, however since specializing in H&S its not useful at all. It is horses for courses. Certainly, from my perspective, a general practitioner approach, with a broad range of experience and associations would be a good way to start. Specialism would normally come due to the industries you spend time in.
will hampson  
#12 Posted : 29 June 2016 21:42:07(UTC)
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will hampson

hi Darren thanks for advice currently looking at doing the ISO 14001 course online with audit mentor its a bit pricey at £420 but its accredited from iema not sure if it will improve my chances of getting interviews since passing ncrq cert only had 1 interview .

dont seem to be getting many interviews think it is due to my lack of experience i have ncrq,ptlls iema foundation cert etc but dont have the work experience to back the qualification's up.

also sent application to join iema as a associate which hopefully will help me somehow.
gerrysharpe  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2016 17:35:05(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

will hampson wrote:


also sent application to join iema as a associate which hopefully will help me somehow.


Will, To Join Iema as an associate you need to pass the associates Certificate, The Foundation one you did with IEMA will only give you Affiliate status. I did my AuditMentor ISO14001 but it was a bit cheaper that your £420, I thin it was only £350 but it gives you ISO14001:2015 which is still pretty much in its infancy. You qualify as an internal auditor to enable you to do Audits for the company you work for.

Try and see if you can get some local work, Get some cards made, go round the industrial estates and see if anyone wants any Health & safety done, Another area you could look into is Chas Applications, and Safe-contractor applications, They are very strict on what to expect Health and safety Wise, so you could set yourself up with templates for different policies and then customise them when you get a job. Took me the best part of updating all the Policies to recent and applying for Chas Accreditation for the Company i'm working for. The Average Builder may not have all that information themselves so that might be another revenue stream for you.

If you haven't got experienced working for someone, then get experienced working for yourself, and sell yourself out there

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