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ke5283  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2016 11:49:40(UTC)
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ke5283

Hi all,

Sorry if I sound a bit dim, but what is the definition of a professional qualification?

Is it just a nebosh or equivalent, or can i include my EMS auditor training? RA training, DSE training, etc etc. only my EMS auditor training was marked the others I have just attended courses.

Thanks!

RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 06 October 2016 11:57:49(UTC)
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RayRapp

Good question. I personally would consider a professional qualification as any course which you have passed which relates to your occupation. In other words, NEBOSH, NVQs, Diplomas, Bachelors/Masters, etc.

Other courses which you may have attended which are training courses e.g. RA, DSE, etc, I would not consider a professional qualification per se. However I would list them in my CV under a 'Other qualifications'.

Incidentally, membership of an industry association is also not a qualification, but I would list them under an appropriate heading - for example, CMIOSH, MIIRSM, MIFireE, etc
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 06 October 2016 11:59:53(UTC)
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peter gotch

Ke, depends on whose EMS auditor training you did. Was it by a trainer accredited by e.g. International Registered of Certificated Auditors? If so, yes, if bespoke probably no. RA training etc no - no proof that this gave you professional competence.

Jonathan Hughes  
#4 Posted : 06 October 2016 14:47:31(UTC)
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Jonathan Hughes

Hi,

I would concur with the views of Ray and Peter. I often see on CV's four headings - for example:

1) Professional Qualifications

NVQ 5 - Health and Safety Management

NEBOSH Environmental Diploma

NEBOSH Fire Certificate

NEBOSH Construction Certificate

2) Professional Membership

CMIOSH

MIIRSM

AIEMA

3) Relevant Qualifications

BSI 18001 Lead Auditor

C&G 7303 - PTLLS

CITB SMSTS

BOHS P405

BOHS P900

4) Other relevant training

First Aid at Work

Fire Marshal

DSE Risk Assessor

Manual Handling train the trainer

IPAF

PASMA

etc...

Adding dates completed can also be useful to indicate a breadth of knowledge acquired over time, rather than reams of training that might have been completed 10 years ago, but nothing in the last decade - which may indicate a lack of refresher training, ongoing CPD or a desire to continually evolve and improve your skill set.

All the best, Jonathan

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walker  
#5 Posted : 14 October 2016 08:20:16(UTC)
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walker

NEBOSH make it quite clear that their certificates are not professional qualifications

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 14 October 2016 08:29:33(UTC)
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RayRapp

Originally Posted by: walker Go to Quoted Post

NEBOSH make it quite clear that their certificates are not professional qualifications



Really? So what are they then?
Rees21880  
#7 Posted : 14 October 2016 13:32:44(UTC)
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Rees21880

Originally Posted by: walker Go to Quoted Post

NEBOSH make it quite clear that their certificates are not professional qualifications

Hi Walker...This is a quote taken directly from the NEBOSH website....."Our qualifications are globally recognised and taken by people working in all types of industries, as well as national and local government organisations".

Surely this is then suggests it is a "Professional Qualification" or do you have something else from them that suggests otherwise?

Pete

stonecold  
#8 Posted : 15 October 2016 04:21:36(UTC)
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stonecold

From NEBOSH (not my words)

NEBOSH's Certificate-level qualifications give a good foundation in health and safety for managers, supervisors and staff with health and safety among their day to day responsibilities.

NEBOSH’s Diplomas are professional qualifications for health, safety and environmental practitioners.

SHV  
#9 Posted : 31 October 2016 07:40:44(UTC)
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SHV

Professional qualifications in the United Kingdom are generally awarded by professional bodies in line with their charters

Most, but not all, professional qualifications are 'Chartered' qualifications, and follow on from having been admitted to a degree 

DSE RA ..etc are not professional qualifications

SHV

RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 31 October 2016 10:57:36(UTC)
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RayRapp

Cutting to the chase, there is no hard and fast rule what is a 'professional' qualification, embroiled that is in definitions and semantics. Perhaps a modicum of common sense is the answer.
ke5283  
#11 Posted : 31 October 2016 11:19:43(UTC)
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ke5283

Thanks for the replies ..

Jonathan I will go with your layout - that's a good idea. Currently they're all in the same 'box' on my CV so could do with seperating them out a little.

Where I find it difficult is the job applications where it only allows you to fill in 'professional quals' - I am just really tempted to wack all the courses I've ever attended as it shows a continual CPD process... But then again that shows lack of understanding of the question being asked!

Thanks all,

PIKEMAN  
#12 Posted : 03 November 2016 14:14:32(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

This is interesting stuff. The quote from NEBOSH is spot on. I am amazed by how many people think that by geting the NEBOSH cert this instantly makes them a "safety professional". People go on the course and never bother to read NEBOSH's own spiel on this.

A Kurdziel  
#13 Posted : 04 November 2016 13:37:23(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

My definition of a professional is someone you can rely on to give a definitive unbiased opinion on something. To be a qualified professional you need both formal training eg a diploma AND practical experience.  

A few months ago a bridge collapsed on the M2 motorway. Half of it was removed as it was unsafe but the other half was left in situ.  A BBC reporter on the scene was talking about this to a colleague in the studio, who commented that the bit that was left standing did not look safe. The reporter on the science said that it had been checked by an engineer who was of the professional opinion that it was safe. The studio based reporter still sounded unconvinced and at this point I hoped that the one on  scene reporter was going to say something along the lines:” they bloke who said it was safe was a professional civil engineer -qualified and competent. The guys that fix your washing machine are not engineers, professional or otherwise; they are just engineers” but he didn’t, an opportunity missed.

So a professional is someone you can assume knows what they are talking about but of course the professional must behave in professional manner and earn that respect but that is a story for another time.

Ian Bell2  
#14 Posted : 04 November 2016 13:46:58(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Agree with Ray #10.

There are lots of safety jobs that don't even ask for IOSH/NEBOSH etc within the nuclear and process industries.

So have all of you rabbiting on about the mertits of being CMIOSH etc wasted your time?

Academic snobbery.

Just for the record I gained CMIOSH, but the qualification isn't asked for in my area of safety. So I don't bother with it amymore.

walker  
#15 Posted : 07 November 2016 11:09:49(UTC)
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walker

I work in an office with many "real" engineers (C.Eng)

The Office Admin "manager" put up a sign saying the photocopier wasnt working and an engineer had been called.

He (the Admin guy) nearly got lynched ;-)) 

SNS  
#16 Posted : 08 November 2016 23:03:20(UTC)
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SNS

I used to dream about being an engineer, then I were one ...

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