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John Murray  
#921 Posted : 20 November 2020 10:55:09(UTC)
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John Murray

"One way or another, this complaint at least is utterly incoherent"

Incoherence seems to be a Covid standard.

One piece of research says immunity to the virus is short-lived, another that it is 10 yrs +.

Children can go to school because they don't pass it on..

People with covid antibodies are locked-down because, well, because..

People are "allowed" to meet one non-household and non-support-bubble person outside, and walk/talk, or not walk but still talk. You cannot go and eat in a cafe but can still go into McD and buy food, or have it delivered by a guy who delivers to dozens each day/night..

Incoherence is the new normal

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John Murray  
#922 Posted : 20 November 2020 10:59:00(UTC)
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John Murray

Sorry, insanity is the new normal. By the way, NHS psychiatric services are abysmal and overloaded.

Take care!

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biker1 on 20/11/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#923 Posted : 20 November 2020 12:36:47(UTC)
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biker1

The sad thing about the current 'lockdown' is that it isn't a lockdown at all, despite what some people might moan about. If the current partial and confusing restrictions are to achieve anything in terms of reducing infections and deaths, they need to be considerably increased, but then we would have some people kicking off about it and that it would not be a proportionate response, without offering any altenative ideas.

I wonder who I'm thinking of?

The Iron Chicken  
#924 Posted : 20 November 2020 19:17:12(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken Go to Quoted Post

This article is a must-read and is most definitely H&S workplace-related:


But it clearly contains obvious errors - "The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under negative pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay." This complaint makes no sense.

If it's under negative pressure that promotes air from elsewhere entering this area.  If you wanted to prevent other air entering this area you'd run it on positive pressure (same as breathing apparatus).  If they were running it under negative presure that would be to prevent air escaping from this area to other areas.  So teh author is either backwards in what negative pressure is supposed to achieve, or they are backwards in what pressure the lab was at, or possibly they are backwards in what happened with any air leaks. One way or another, this complaint at least is utterly incoherent.

No, read it again please, the article quite clearly says:

"The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under positive (<<<POSITIVE) pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay."


The Iron Chicken  
#925 Posted : 20 November 2020 19:21:27(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

Originally Posted by: Holliday42333 Go to Quoted Post

Good grief Chicken, the tin foil in your hat must be especially thick today.

So what would be your solution then if the present ones are akin to communics brainwashing from the '50s?

I suppose you are an advocate of Herd Culling*; the concept of just letting the virus run as the controls are worse than the harm?  I think it was some Oxford Uni modelling that predicted that the deaths would be in the very high millions if not billions, worldwide, and would repeat on a cycle as personal immunity is not guaranteed. (*also referred to as herd immunity)


You clearly do not understand.

The government are using psychological warfare against us. This is not about controlling a virus, this is about controlling the people.

The chart explains how coercive control works and illustrates the method as applied to this 'pandemic'.

Coercive control is coercive control - it is applied in the same way today as back in the 1950s and probably since time immemorial.

The Iron Chicken  
#926 Posted : 20 November 2020 19:32:41(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

Originally Posted by: John Murray Go to Quoted Post

"One way or another, this complaint at least is utterly incoherent"

Incoherence seems to be a Covid standard.

One piece of research says immunity to the virus is short-lived, another that it is 10 yrs +.

Children can go to school because they don't pass it on..

People with covid antibodies are locked-down because, well, because..

People are "allowed" to meet one non-household and non-support-bubble person outside, and walk/talk, or not walk but still talk. You cannot go and eat in a cafe but can still go into McD and buy food, or have it delivered by a guy who delivers to dozens each day/night..

Incoherence is the new normal


EXACTLY!

At what point are you going to realise that none of this is making any logical sense, therefore there must be some other agenda being played out?

achrn  
#927 Posted : 20 November 2020 20:14:26(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken Go to Quoted Post

This article is a must-read and is most definitely H&S workplace-related:


But it clearly contains obvious errors - "The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under negative pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay." This complaint makes no sense.

No, read it again please, the article quite clearly says:

"The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under positive (<<<POSITIVE) pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay."

If it says that now they've changed it.  I copy-and-pasted from the page.

I wonder what it will say tomorrow?

John Murray  
#928 Posted : 20 November 2020 23:41:28(UTC)
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John Murray

I have it from a good authority that aliens have started the sars-cov-2 pandemic.

They have infiltrated the country and are sending false messages by posting on an "influential" H&S website.

be alert!

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peter gotch on 21/11/2020(UTC)
peter gotch  
#929 Posted : 21 November 2020 11:27:58(UTC)
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peter gotch

John, possible the Alien intelligence ('AI') was a bit iffy as regards "influence".

chris42  
#930 Posted : 21 November 2020 11:48:52(UTC)
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chris42

Originally Posted by: John Murray Go to Quoted Post

I have it from a good authority that aliens have started the sars-cov-2 pandemic.

They have infiltrated the country and are sending false messages by posting on an "influential" H&S website.

be alert!


Which website is that then?

According to our resident (previous as he has now gone) flat earther, covid came from 5G. Of course 5G could have come from alien influence.

Chris

The Iron Chicken  
#931 Posted : 21 November 2020 16:36:02(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

This article clearly explains the message I am trying to get across to you:

What they DON'T tell you about Covid: Fewer beds taken up than last year, deaths a fraction of the grim forecasts, 95% of fatalities had underlying causes... and how the facts can be twisted to strike fear in our hearts

Yes, the newspaper is the Daily Mail.

The statistics IN the newspaper are from official sources: ONS, PHE, NHS England, etc.

You can love or hate the newspaper, but your opinion doesn't change the actual statistics.

If you can't see by now that this is a massive psy-op being used by governments worldwide to take away the rights and freedoms of their peoples, then there is no hope for you.

I guarantee that when reality eventually hits home, you won't like it.

Roundtuit  
#932 Posted : 21 November 2020 20:54:11(UTC)
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Roundtuit

YOU lost any opportunity to give any message when you chose to conduct yourself in the manner you have upon this forum.

You expect respect by disrespecting others?

Between Iron Chicken and SLord80 I now have scroll cramp moving beyond opinions I have no interest in reading let alone understanding or becoming involved with.

What is it like to scream in to the gale?

Don't bother answering I am not listening.

Roundtuit  
#933 Posted : 21 November 2020 20:54:11(UTC)
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Roundtuit

YOU lost any opportunity to give any message when you chose to conduct yourself in the manner you have upon this forum.

You expect respect by disrespecting others?

Between Iron Chicken and SLord80 I now have scroll cramp moving beyond opinions I have no interest in reading let alone understanding or becoming involved with.

What is it like to scream in to the gale?

Don't bother answering I am not listening.

Roundtuit  
#934 Posted : 22 November 2020 13:38:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As they say everday is a school day - I have found a way to avoid scroll cramp

When logged on to the forum click on the poster user name and a dropdown menu appears

Click on "Hide User Posts"

Each time you log in all you now see is a blank space where the posters words would have been.

Doesn't protect the public merely viewing the forums

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Roundtuit  
#935 Posted : 22 November 2020 13:38:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As they say everday is a school day - I have found a way to avoid scroll cramp

When logged on to the forum click on the poster user name and a dropdown menu appears

Click on "Hide User Posts"

Each time you log in all you now see is a blank space where the posters words would have been.

Doesn't protect the public merely viewing the forums

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The Iron Chicken  
#936 Posted : 22 November 2020 19:33:16(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

Jeremy Hunt (now chair of Parliament's Health and Social Care Committee) writing in The Times today: 

'We should go further, offering people who comply with testing and isolation requirements a “freedom pass” that removes the requirement to follow lockdown regulations.'

'In Slovakia they gave those with negative results a certificate that released them from curfew and allowed them to go out, shop, and go to work.

'This meant 97 per cent of the eligible population was tested.

'We should do the same in the UK, using the NHS Covid-19 app to record who has been tested and who has received the vaccine.'

Germany 1941: "Papers please!" / UK 2021: "Freedom Pass please!"

The Iron Chicken  
#937 Posted : 22 November 2020 20:53:22(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

DISRESPECT IS:

Saying that the opinions of others, even when backed up by facts, should not be shared or discussed - just because you don't hold the same view.

Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks when there are no remaining facts/evidence to back up your position.

Invoking 'monitors' or 'moderators' to remove posts that you don't like.

RESPECT IS:

Allowing others to speak freely, without censorship or insult, even when you don't agree with what they are saying.

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John Murray  
#938 Posted : 22 November 2020 23:23:47(UTC)
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John Murray

'We should go further, offering people who comply with testing and isolation requirements a “freedom pass” that removes the requirement to follow lockdown regulations.'

??????????????

Seriously:

You must not leave or be outside of your home unless where permitted by law. This may include:

You can leave home to buy things at shops which are permitted to open. For instance to buy food or medicine, or to collect any items - including food or drink - ordered through click-and-collect or as a takeaway, to obtain or deposit money (e.g. from a bank or post office), or to access critical public services (see section below).

You may also leave home to fulfil legal obligations.

Moving home

You may leave home to carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property.

Education and childcare

You can leave home for education. This includes schools, universities or formal education provision.


You can also leave home for registered childcare and supervised activities forchildren that are necessary to allow parents or carers to work, seek work, or undertake education or training.

Parents can still take their children to school, and continue
existing arrangements for contact with children where they live apart.

Meeting others and care

You can leave home to exercise outdoors or visit an outdoor public place (see section 3).You can leave home to visit people in your support bubble indoors or outdoors, including to stay overnight with them.

You can leave home to meet outdoors with one other person, who is not
in your support bubble. If doing so, you can be accompanied by a child
under 5 or a disabled person who requires continuous care.

You can leave home to provide informal childcare for children aged 13 and under as part of a childcare bubble.

You can also leave home to:

  • provide care for vulnerable people
  • provide emergency assistance
  • attend a support group (of up to 15 people)
  • for respite care where that care is being provided to a vulnerable
    person or a person with a disability, or is a short break in respect of
    a looked after child

Medical reasons, harm and compassionate visits

You can leave home for any medical reason, including to get a
COVID-19 test, for medical appointments and emergencies, to be with
someone who is giving birth, to avoid injury or illness or to escape
risk of harm (such as domestic abuse), or for animal welfare reasons
such as to attend veterinary services for advice or treatment.

You can also leave home to visit someone who is dying or someone in a
care home (if permitted under care home guidance), hospice, or
hospital, or to accompany them to a medical appointment.

You can leave home to attend a place of worship for individual prayer, a
funeral or a related event for someone who has died, to visit a burial
ground or a remembrance garden, or to attend a deathbed wedding. A list
of what constitutes a ‘reasonable excuse’ for leaving home can be found in the regulations.

You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble, your childcare bubble, or with one other person.

You can exercise or visit a public outdoor space:

  • by yourself
  • with the people you live with
  • with your support bubble
  • or, when on your own, 1 person from another household

Public outdoor places include:

  • neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and parts of the countryside that are accessible to the public
  • public gardens and grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them)
  • allotments
  • outdoor playgrounds 

There
are still circumstances in which you are allowed to meet others from
outside your household or support bubble in larger groups, but this
should not be for socialising and only for permitted purposes. A full list of these circumstances can be found in the regulations and includes:


  • for work purposes (including in other people’s homes where necessary, such as for nannies, cleaners or tradespeople
  • for providing voluntary or charitable services
  • for formal education or formal training
  • to provide emergency assistance and to facilitate a house move
  • to fulfil legal obligations or participate in legal proceedings
  • support groups that have to be delivered in person can continue
    with up to 15 participants where formally organised to provide mutual
    aid, therapy or any other form of support - but they must take place at a
    premises other than a private home - ‘support group’ includes, but is
    not limited to, support to victims of crime, people in drug and alcohol
    recovery, new parents and guardians, people caring for those with
    long-term or terminal illnesses, or who are vulnerable, people facing
    issues relating to their sexuality or gender, those who have suffered
    bereavement, and vulnerable young people, including for them to meet youth workers
  • parent and child groups can continue where they provide support to
    parent and/or child, and children under 5 will not be counted within
    the 15 person limit - meaning parents and carers can attend such groups in larger numbers.
  • funerals of up to 30 people and some weddings can continue, as set out below

There isn't much remaining that you are not allowed to do...

The Iron Chicken  
#939 Posted : 23 November 2020 08:55:21(UTC)
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The Iron Chicken

Replying to: John Murray post 938

With respect, you're really not understanding where this is heading are you?

The Freedom Pass will eventually be used to control:

  • What you can do
  • When you can do it
  • Where you can do it
  • Who you can do it with
  • How long you can do it for
  • How often you can do it
  • How you do it

That is NOT freedom.

Take a few minutes to research the Social Credit Score system already in place in China, where people are self-governing based on the need to keep their score high, or risk being punished through various sanctions.

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John Murray  
#940 Posted : 23 November 2020 10:26:24(UTC)
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John Murray

With respect, to The Ferrous Fowl (but not much), look outside: people are already ignoring lockdown.
Even those on the ‘extremely clinically vulnerable’ list (all those over 70, but not exclusively).
I got stopped by the police on Friday night and asked why I was out and where was I going. Told him “going home and none of your business”. He said I wasn’t allowed out. Gave him my list of what was allowed. He was a bit put out.
When the govt, any govt, makes restrictive legislation that gets ignored ( as CV act V2 is) it either has to also enable excessive policing or seriously alter its policy. So pubs are closed; shop sales of alcoholic beverages are going through the roof (so is shoplifting by the way!).
Woodland/country-park/etc carparks are full all day...funnily, Wells harbour isn’t ( car parks are closed)(webcam https://www.portofwells.co.uk/webcam/).
Good job it isn’t the US of A!
biker1  
#941 Posted : 23 November 2020 11:05:11(UTC)
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biker1

So the Iron Chicken has revealed their feathers - a conspiracy theorist. What this poster, and SLord80, fail to appreciate is that there are lots of very knowledgable and experienced safety and health professionals on this forum, many in fields relevant to the pandemic. We are not idiots, and do evaluate what we are told. This is a free country (allegedly), so people are free to express opinions. What such people have to bear in mind, however, is how deeply insulting their comments and theories can be to those who have personal experience of COVID. I count myself amongst these. A close family member was very ill with COVID back in April, and months later is still suffering debilitating effects from it. We cared for her at home, and saw first hand how badly people can be affected. To focus on survival rates only is to dismiss the health effects on people who do survive, and I wouldn't wish them on anyone.

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John Murray  
#942 Posted : 23 November 2020 11:54:21(UTC)
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John Murray

THE

WHOLE

WORLD

IS

A

CONSPIRACY !

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peter gotch on 23/11/2020(UTC)
CdC  
#943 Posted : 23 November 2020 15:36:34(UTC)
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CdC

Nevermind Coronavirus you guys are all stressing about. There is something far more important to be concerned about:

Dihydrogen monoxide:

  • is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
  • contributes to the greenhouse effect.
  • may cause severe burns.
  • contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
  • accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
  • may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
  • has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

  • as an industrial solvent and coolant.
  • in nuclear power plants.
  • in the production of styrofoam.
  • as a fire retardant.
  • in many forms of cruel animal research.
  • in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
  • as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

This stuff is everywhere and I bet you it is also helping the spread of Covid! Why nobody is talking about this is beyond my understanding....

/Satire off

Holliday42333  
#944 Posted : 23 November 2020 15:40:47(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: CdC Go to Quoted Post

Nevermind Coronavirus you guys are all stressing about. There is something far more important to be concerned about:

Dihydrogen monoxide:

  • is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
  • contributes to the greenhouse effect.
  • may cause severe burns.
  • contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
  • accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
  • may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
  • has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

  • as an industrial solvent and coolant.
  • in nuclear power plants.
  • in the production of styrofoam.
  • as a fire retardant.
  • in many forms of cruel animal research.
  • in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
  • as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

This stuff is everywhere and I bet you it is also helping the spread of Covid! Why nobody is talking about this is beyond my understanding....

/Satire off


Its also fatal by ingestion, but people still insist on drinking it as they are not aware of how dangerous it can be!
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CdC on 23/11/2020(UTC)
achrn  
#945 Posted : 23 November 2020 15:48:55(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: CdC Go to Quoted Post

Dihydrogen monoxide:


Did you know it has a pH even higher than concentrated hydrochloric acid?

Edited by user 23 November 2020 15:49:33(UTC)  | Reason: spalling

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chris.packham  
#946 Posted : 23 November 2020 16:42:06(UTC)
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chris.packham

It is also a skin irritant and the most common cause of occupational dermatitis.

Historically it has caused more human deaths than any other chemical known to man, yet you will not find it on a safety data sheet as it has never been assigned any hazard statement.

Holliday42333  
#947 Posted : 23 November 2020 16:53:33(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: chris.packham Go to Quoted Post

It is also a skin irritant and the most common cause of occupational dermatitis.

Historically it has caused more human deaths than any other chemical known to man, yet you will not find it on a safety data sheet as it has never been assigned any hazard statement.


Only modern SDS's Chris.  Way back, the chemical company Ellis & Everard used to sell Lab Reagent Water (sort of chemically inert water) and the MSDS that did say the phrase 'Fatal by Ingestion'

peter gotch  
#948 Posted : 23 November 2020 17:17:19(UTC)
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peter gotch

...whilst noting that it has a higher pH than HCl, it does at least have the plus of being less caustic than NaOH

chris42  
#949 Posted : 23 November 2020 17:37:48(UTC)
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chris42

It will also cut steel and stone.

CdC  
#950 Posted : 23 November 2020 18:01:58(UTC)
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CdC

Originally Posted by: chris.packham Go to Quoted Post

It is also a skin irritant and the most common cause of occupational dermatitis.

Historically it has caused more human deaths than any other chemical known to man, yet you will not find it on a safety data sheet as it has never been assigned any hazard statement.


Aha! US SDS sheet: http://www.dhmo.org/msds/MSDS-DHMO-Kemp.pdf  :-)

Roundtuit  
#951 Posted : 23 November 2020 18:16:56(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sorry 2008 document does not satisfy the HazCom 2012 requirements nor CLP
Roundtuit  
#952 Posted : 23 November 2020 18:16:56(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sorry 2008 document does not satisfy the HazCom 2012 requirements nor CLP
biker1  
#953 Posted : 24 November 2020 10:09:38(UTC)
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biker1

And most of our planet is covered in the substance. In inclement weather, even more is covered. It is in danger of taking over. We need to alert the population to this peril. It is clearly a conspiracy to take over the world, and we need to find out who is behind it.

Kate  
#954 Posted : 24 November 2020 10:18:40(UTC)
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Kate

I have more than once seen a safety data sheet for the distilled or the deionised form of the material, from reputable chemical supply companies such as Fisher Scientific.

Fortunately the first aid treatments are very simple, you flush with water.

stevedm  
#955 Posted : 24 November 2020 10:36:03(UTC)
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stevedm

'Sorry 2008 document does not satisfy the HazCom 2012 requirements nor CLP'

oh dear oh dear... some people just don't get the joke... :)

Holliday42333  
#956 Posted : 24 November 2020 11:15:46(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Taken from the Covid Ventilation discussion but probably more relevent here

Originally Posted by: Holliday42333 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lawlee45239 Go to Quoted Post

In 10 years time we will have all the answers! The 'we should have done' ! 

I think we will find that we already had a ten year review in place but failed to act on it.

The Asia-Pacific countries leared these lessons from the SARS outbreak.  Hense why the social and ecconomic impact in NZ, Aus, SKorea etc has been so much less than in the UK. 

The UK (and much of Europe/America) paid scant attention to the lessons of SARS and are learning a far harsher lesson, IMO.

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A Kurdziel  
#957 Posted : 24 November 2020 11:20:14(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Of course our betters in the UK government were warned about the risks posed by exotic respiratory diseases more than ten years ago, but the decided to take a “common sense” approach  and not waste resources preparing for an outbreak. They are now getting themselves in position where they can(apparently) do all the testing require and have PPE etc available 10 months after the outbreak. Countries like South Korea, were able to respond more quickly since they did this mad thing called contingency planning. Well look at them now; UK had 82.90 covid 19 related deaths per 100 000 of the population while they have only managed 0.99 covid 19 related deaths per 100 000 of the population. The outbreak has probably cost them less as well.

Holliday42333  
#958 Posted : 24 November 2020 11:29:14(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

The outbreak has probably cost them less as well.


Not S Korea but Western Aus; I know for a fact that a business with global interests is diverting capital to Aus from the UK (and other Covid affectd markets) as the assets in Aus are operating without restriction/disruption.  Just another cost to the UK ecconomy.

CptBeaky  
#959 Posted : 24 November 2020 12:15:27(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Originally Posted by: John Murray Go to Quoted Post

THE

WHOLE

WORLD

IS

A

CONSPIRACY !


That is what they want you to believe!

CptBeaky  
#960 Posted : 24 November 2020 13:06:18(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Been on annual leave, so missed most of what's been happening in this thread.

During that time I continued with my reading of various COVID related reports and papers and came across this one

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-020-06067-8

It appears that face coverings my also offer protection to wearers. Although wearers are just as likely to be infected, the chance that a face coverer wearer will be asymptomatic may be greatly increased, meaning that they are far less likely to suffer chronic or acute effects of COVID-19. Basically you are likely to recieve a lower "dose" of the virus, allowing your body to fight it more effectively. Think of it as an LD50 situation.

Whilst initial studies are limited to animals, therefore not conclusive looking at cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and a few processing factories in which masks were/are mandatory seems to bear out the findings.

From a personal point of view, we have just had a positive test for an extremely vulnerable person that consistently wears a mask. He had slight symptoms, but nothing as bad as it could have been. Just a slight cough and fever.

(And just cause I haven't had my vegan rant recently) Also it appears that a huge amount of innocent mink were culled because of this virus. In the wild they are solitary creatures. The virus would never have had a chance to move between them, mutating and thereby threatening humans. Yet again, our mistreatment of animals comes back to bite us, and the victims that suffer the most are innocent.

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chris.packham  
#961 Posted : 24 November 2020 13:21:32(UTC)
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chris.packham

In response to AK's posting (957) perhaps Prof. Brian Cox's comment in his book Human Universe (a great read by the way): 'Common sense is completely worthless and irrelevant when considering reality.' In my own field common sense often states something that appears logical but, when the science is investigated, proves to be false. I often find that what a client has done that common sense told him was correct has actually formed part of the problem.

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A Kurdziel on 24/11/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#962 Posted : 24 November 2020 15:39:24(UTC)
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biker1

Originally Posted by: CptBeaky Go to Quoted Post

Been on annual leave, so missed most of what's been happening in this thread.

During that time I continued with my reading of various COVID related reports and papers and came across this one

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-020-06067-8

It appears that face coverings my also offer protection to wearers. Although wearers are just as likely to be infected, the chance that a face coverer wearer will be asymptomatic may be greatly increased, meaning that they are far less likely to suffer chronic or acute effects of COVID-19. Basically you are likely to recieve a lower "dose" of the virus, allowing your body to fight it more effectively. Think of it as an LD50 situation.

Whilst initial studies are limited to animals, therefore not conclusive looking at cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and a few processing factories in which masks were/are mandatory seems to bear out the findings.

From a personal point of view, we have just had a positive test for an extremely vulnerable person that consistently wears a mask. He had slight symptoms, but nothing as bad as it could have been. Just a slight cough and fever.

(And just cause I haven't had my vegan rant recently) Also it appears that a huge amount of innocent mink were culled because of this virus. In the wild they are solitary creatures. The virus would never have had a chance to move between them, mutating and thereby threatening humans. Yet again, our mistreatment of animals comes back to bite us, and the victims that suffer the most are innocent.


Well, that makes sense in a way, thinking about it. If a face mask reduces transmission from the wearer, it might also reduce the amount of water droplets holding the virus from other people getting to the wearer, and similar for any airborne virus. Of course, some masks will be better than others for this. I suppose we could ask SLord80 about this!

I am also not sure why it was felt necessary to cull all those mink. Probably a conspiracy to drive up the price of their fur in the market. Oops, did I say that? Talking of cruelty to animals, there seems to be an awful lot of it going on with dogs in places like Romania, according to the entries on YouTube.

A Kurdziel  
#963 Posted : 24 November 2020 16:20:55(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

About the mink: they were not in a retirement home for Mustelids. They were in fur farms. Fur farming has been illegal in the UK since 2002, when it became the first country to ban the practice. As well as the unnecessary cruelty of the farming itself fur farms are a source of escaped  non-native species, which are a nuisance and an environmental disaster. It now looks like they are also a source of  covid 19 see https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/

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