Sorry, insanity is the new normal. By the way, NHS psychiatric services are abysmal and overloaded.

Take care!

Originally Posted by: achrn

Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken

This article is a must-read and is most definitely H&S workplace-related:

But it clearly contains obvious errors - "The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under negative pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay." This complaint makes no sense.

If it's under negative pressure that promotes air from elsewhere entering this area.  If you wanted to prevent other air entering this area you'd run it on positive pressure (same as breathing apparatus).  If they were running it under negative presure that would be to prevent air escaping from this area to other areas.  So teh author is either backwards in what negative pressure is supposed to achieve, or they are backwards in what pressure the lab was at, or possibly they are backwards in what happened with any air leaks. One way or another, this complaint at least is utterly incoherent.

No, read it again please, the article quite clearly says:

"The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under positive (<<<POSITIVE) pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay."

Originally Posted by: John Murray

"One way or another, this complaint at least is utterly incoherent"

Incoherence seems to be a Covid standard.

One piece of research says immunity to the virus is short-lived, another that it is 10 yrs +.

Children can go to school because they don't pass it on..

People with covid antibodies are locked-down because, well, because..

People are "allowed" to meet one non-household and non-support-bubble person outside, and walk/talk, or not walk but still talk. You cannot go and eat in a cafe but can still go into McD and buy food, or have it delivered by a guy who delivers to dozens each day/night..

Incoherence is the new normal

At what point are you going to realise that none of this is making any logical sense, therefore there must be some other agenda being played out?

I have it from a good authority that aliens have started the sars-cov-2 pandemic.

They have infiltrated the country and are sending false messages by posting on an "influential" H&S website.

be alert!

Originally Posted by: John Murray

I have it from a good authority that aliens have started the sars-cov-2 pandemic.

They have infiltrated the country and are sending false messages by posting on an "influential" H&S website.

be alert!

Which website is that then?

According to our resident (previous as he has now gone) flat earther, covid came from 5G. Of course 5G could have come from alien influence.

Chris

YOU lost any opportunity to give any message when you chose to conduct yourself in the manner you have upon this forum.

You expect respect by disrespecting others?

Between Iron Chicken and SLord80 I now have scroll cramp moving beyond opinions I have no interest in reading let alone understanding or becoming involved with.

What is it like to scream in to the gale?

Don't bother answering I am not listening.

As they say everday is a school day - I have found a way to avoid scroll cramp

When logged on to the forum click on the poster user name and a dropdown menu appears

Click on "Hide User Posts"

Each time you log in all you now see is a blank space where the posters words would have been.

Doesn't protect the public merely viewing the forums

Jeremy Hunt (now chair of Parliament's Health and Social Care Committee) writing in The Times today: 

'We should go further, offering people who comply with testing and isolation requirements a “freedom pass” that removes the requirement to follow lockdown regulations.'

'In Slovakia they gave those with negative results a certificate that released them from curfew and allowed them to go out, shop, and go to work.

'This meant 97 per cent of the eligible population was tested.

'We should do the same in the UK, using the NHS Covid-19 app to record who has been tested and who has received the vaccine.'

Germany 1941: "Papers please!" / UK 2021: "Freedom Pass please!"

'We should go further, offering people who comply with testing and isolation requirements a “freedom pass” that removes the requirement to follow lockdown regulations.'

??????????????

Seriously:

You must not leave or be outside of your home unless where permitted by law. This may include:

You can leave home to buy things at shops which are permitted to open. For instance to buy food or medicine, or to collect any items - including food or drink - ordered through click-and-collect or as a takeaway, to obtain or deposit money (e.g. from a bank or post office), or to access critical public services (see section below).

Fulfilling legal obligation

You may also leave home to fulfil legal obligations.

Moving home

You may leave home to carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property.

Education and childcare

You can leave home for education. This includes schools, universities or formal education provision. You can also leave home for registered childcare and supervised activities forchildren that are necessary to allow parents or carers to work, seek work, or undertake education or training.

Parents can still take their children to school, and continue existing arrangements for contact with children where they live apart.

Meeting others and care

You can leave home to exercise outdoors or visit an outdoor public place (see section 3).You can leave home to visit people in your support bubble indoors or outdoors, including to stay overnight with them.

You can leave home to meet outdoors with one other person, who is not in your support bubble. If doing so, you can be accompanied by a child under 5 or a disabled person who requires continuous care.

You can leave home to provide informal childcare for children aged 13 and under as part of a childcare bubble.

You can also leave home to:

• provide care for vulnerable people
• provide emergency assistance
• attend a support group (of up to 15 people)
• for respite care where that care is being provided to a vulnerable person or a person with a disability, or is a short break in respect of a looked after child

Medical reasons, harm and compassionate visits

You can leave home for any medical reason, including to get a COVID-19 test, for medical appointments and emergencies, to be with someone who is giving birth, to avoid injury or illness or to escape risk of harm (such as domestic abuse), or for animal welfare reasons such as to attend veterinary services for advice or treatment.

You can also leave home to visit someone who is dying or someone in a care home (if permitted under care home guidance), hospice, or hospital, or to accompany them to a medical appointment.

You can leave home to attend a place of worship for individual prayer, a funeral or a related event for someone who has died, to visit a burial ground or a remembrance garden, or to attend a deathbed wedding. A list of what constitutes a ‘reasonable excuse’ for leaving home can be found in the regulations.

You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble, your childcare bubble, or with one other person.

You can exercise or visit a public outdoor space:

• by yourself
• with the people you live with
• with your support bubble
• or, when on your own, 1 person from another household

Public outdoor places include:

• neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and parts of the countryside that are accessible to the public
• public gardens and grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them)
• allotments
• outdoor playgrounds 

There are still circumstances in which you are allowed to meet others from outside your household or support bubble in larger groups, but this should not be for socialising and only for permitted purposes. A full list of these circumstances can be found in the regulations and includes:

• for work purposes (including in other people’s homes where necessary, such as for nannies, cleaners or tradespeople
• for providing voluntary or charitable services
• for formal education or formal training
• to provide emergency assistance and to facilitate a house move
• to fulfil legal obligations or participate in legal proceedings
• support groups that have to be delivered in person can continue with up to 15 participants where formally organised to provide mutual aid, therapy or any other form of support - but they must take place at a premises other than a private home - ‘support group’ includes, but is not limited to, support to victims of crime, people in drug and alcohol recovery, new parents and guardians, people caring for those with long-term or terminal illnesses, or who are vulnerable, people facing issues relating to their sexuality or gender, those who have suffered bereavement, and vulnerable young people, including for them to meet youth workers
• parent and child groups can continue where they provide support to parent and/or child, and children under 5 will not be counted within the 15 person limit - meaning parents and carers can attend such groups in larger numbers.
• funerals of up to 30 people and some weddings can continue, as set out below

There isn't much remaining that you are not allowed to do...

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It is also a skin irritant and the most common cause of occupational dermatitis.

Historically it has caused more human deaths than any other chemical known to man, yet you will not find it on a safety data sheet as it has never been assigned any hazard statement.

...whilst noting that it has a higher pH than HCl, it does at least have the plus of being less caustic than NaOH

Originally Posted by: chris.packham

It is also a skin irritant and the most common cause of occupational dermatitis.

Historically it has caused more human deaths than any other chemical known to man, yet you will not find it on a safety data sheet as it has never been assigned any hazard statement.

Aha! US SDS sheet: http://www.dhmo.org/msds/MSDS-DHMO-Kemp.pdf  :-)

I have more than once seen a safety data sheet for the distilled or the deionised form of the material, from reputable chemical supply companies such as Fisher Scientific.

Fortunately the first aid treatments are very simple, you flush with water.

Taken from the Covid Ventilation discussion but probably more relevent here

Originally Posted by: Holliday42333

Originally Posted by: Lawlee45239

In 10 years time we will have all the answers! The 'we should have done' ! 

I think we will find that we already had a ten year review in place but failed to act on it.

The Asia-Pacific countries leared these lessons from the SARS outbreak.  Hense why the social and ecconomic impact in NZ, Aus, SKorea etc has been so much less than in the UK. 

The UK (and much of Europe/America) paid scant attention to the lessons of SARS and are learning a far harsher lesson, IMO.

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel

The outbreak has probably cost them less as well.

Not S Korea but Western Aus; I know for a fact that a business with global interests is diverting capital to Aus from the UK (and other Covid affectd markets) as the assets in Aus are operating without restriction/disruption.  Just another cost to the UK ecconomy.

Been on annual leave, so missed most of what's been happening in this thread.

During that time I continued with my reading of various COVID related reports and papers and came across this one

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-020-06067-8

It appears that face coverings my also offer protection to wearers. Although wearers are just as likely to be infected, the chance that a face coverer wearer will be asymptomatic may be greatly increased, meaning that they are far less likely to suffer chronic or acute effects of COVID-19. Basically you are likely to recieve a lower "dose" of the virus, allowing your body to fight it more effectively. Think of it as an LD50 situation.

Whilst initial studies are limited to animals, therefore not conclusive looking at cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and a few processing factories in which masks were/are mandatory seems to bear out the findings.

From a personal point of view, we have just had a positive test for an extremely vulnerable person that consistently wears a mask. He had slight symptoms, but nothing as bad as it could have been. Just a slight cough and fever.

(And just cause I haven't had my vegan rant recently) Also it appears that a huge amount of innocent mink were culled because of this virus. In the wild they are solitary creatures. The virus would never have had a chance to move between them, mutating and thereby threatening humans. Yet again, our mistreatment of animals comes back to bite us, and the victims that suffer the most are innocent.

Originally Posted by: CptBeaky

Been on annual leave, so missed most of what's been happening in this thread.

During that time I continued with my reading of various COVID related reports and papers and came across this one

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-020-06067-8

It appears that face coverings my also offer protection to wearers. Although wearers are just as likely to be infected, the chance that a face coverer wearer will be asymptomatic may be greatly increased, meaning that they are far less likely to suffer chronic or acute effects of COVID-19. Basically you are likely to recieve a lower "dose" of the virus, allowing your body to fight it more effectively. Think of it as an LD50 situation.

Whilst initial studies are limited to animals, therefore not conclusive looking at cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and a few processing factories in which masks were/are mandatory seems to bear out the findings.

From a personal point of view, we have just had a positive test for an extremely vulnerable person that consistently wears a mask. He had slight symptoms, but nothing as bad as it could have been. Just a slight cough and fever.

(And just cause I haven't had my vegan rant recently) Also it appears that a huge amount of innocent mink were culled because of this virus. In the wild they are solitary creatures. The virus would never have had a chance to move between them, mutating and thereby threatening humans. Yet again, our mistreatment of animals comes back to bite us, and the victims that suffer the most are innocent.

I am also not sure why it was felt necessary to cull all those mink. Probably a conspiracy to drive up the price of their fur in the market. Oops, did I say that? Talking of cruelty to animals, there seems to be an awful lot of it going on with dogs in places like Romania, according to the entries on YouTube.