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CaljRowley  
#1 Posted : 28 June 2024 13:51:13(UTC)
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CaljRowley

What's a fair wage for someone looking after the health and safety of a company that operates over 2 sites, with in access of 100 people working them. With over a years experiance in the role? 

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 28 June 2024 14:32:08(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Cal

So many variables to consider!

My first comment is that I am quite surprised that an organisation with only 100 employees has seen fit to give someone what seems to be a full time job.

BUT, it would depend on what is happening, and what the role of that H&S person is.

+ their qualifications + all their experience (not just in current role) + geography + how much is contracted out (for whatever reason) and so much more.

In terms of "role" taking into consideration what the risks are and whether any particular legislative requirements comes into play e.g. if there are "major hazards" or perhaps in transportation and a safety case or similar regime.

Suggest you provide a bit more information.

CaljRowley  
#3 Posted : 28 June 2024 15:08:14(UTC)
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CaljRowley

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Hi Cal

So many variables to consider!

My first comment is that I am quite surprised that an organisation with only 100 employees has seen fit to give someone what seems to be a full time job.

BUT, it would depend on what is happening, and what the role of that H&S person is.

+ their qualifications + all their experience (not just in current role) + geography + how much is contracted out (for whatever reason) and so much more.

In terms of "role" taking into consideration what the risks are and whether any particular legislative requirements comes into play e.g. if there are "major hazards" or perhaps in transportation and a safety case or similar regime.

Suggest you provide a bit more information.


Basically the role is

  • Monitoring and assessing health and safety risks and hazards in the workplace
  • Advising and training employees on how to minimise or avoid risks and hazards
  • Developing and implementing safety programs tailored to the organisation's needs
  • Ensuring the business is legally compliant with all health and safety legislation
  • Providing first aid or nursing duties if needed
  • Investigating and reporting incidents and accidents
  • Enforcing safety rules and providing safety coaching to staff
  • Collaborating and communicating with other managers and directors on safety issues

But the role is health and safety co-ordiantor as we currently use a consultancy to keep an eye over things, but they're happy with the standard of my work and now only visit yearly to do a audit.  

I was aksing the question because i'll soon be getting put thorugh my NEBOSH general(Currently got managing safley through IOSH) and then hopefully in the near future going to do a level 6 course, or so im hoping.

The comapny is based in the midlands, which i know usually skews pay downwards anyway. 

There is a array of diffrent major hazards, delivery driving, spray booths and various big machinery and fork lifts operating on both sites. So plenty that can cause catasrophic injuries.

Once my course is complete im thinking about trying to renegotiate my wages and altough i've read the current meidan salary that IOSH had sent out, im unsure of what my role my actaully be worth. 

I've goit 18 months experiance in health and safety but 8 year previous in bench joinery.

Thank for the reply Peter, much appreciated.

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2024 11:00:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Staying with your current employer will rely upon what they consider the worth of the role to be.

Organisations tend to have a structure for salaries so any speculation here would be purely that.

It could be that for the locallity the average salary for the role would be £XX but if this sits above the salaries of senior site management it is doubtful you would be able to achieve the sum and stay put.

To try and gauge what you are worth you should scour the various professional job sites stacking the location, experience, qualifications and responsibilities. The ones you feel confident enough to apply for would be your bench mark for negotiation, and an escape route if your aspirations are frustrated.

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Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2024 11:00:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Staying with your current employer will rely upon what they consider the worth of the role to be.

Organisations tend to have a structure for salaries so any speculation here would be purely that.

It could be that for the locallity the average salary for the role would be £XX but if this sits above the salaries of senior site management it is doubtful you would be able to achieve the sum and stay put.

To try and gauge what you are worth you should scour the various professional job sites stacking the location, experience, qualifications and responsibilities. The ones you feel confident enough to apply for would be your bench mark for negotiation, and an escape route if your aspirations are frustrated.

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peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 29 June 2024 17:07:19(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Cal

I am guessing that the eight bullets you set out might be in a job description but I am going to home in only three on them:

  • Providing first aid or nursing duties if needed
  • Investigating and reporting incidents and accidents
  • Enforcing safety rules and providing safety coaching to staff

I am going to assume that with a background as a joiner (where it would not be uncommon for that role to be paid more than an H&S co-ordinator), you are not qualified as a nurse. You might be trained as a first aider but that wouldn't make you competent to do "nursing duties" - be wary of job descriptions!

In an organisation such as yours there shouldn't be that many "incidents and accidents" to investigate, so possibly your room to get experience on investigations may be limited, though you CAN try to promote reporting of the "near misses" (or whatever these might be called) and get more investigation expeience from those.

As for the last of these bullets this raises the question as to how your organisation views the management of H&S - is this the job of the Safety Bod (YOU! - not uncommon) or is H&S owned by people at all levels of the organisation as an integral part of the job function? If the latter, then it should be line managers doing the "enforcing" if needed.

My last comment today is to advise you not to place much reliance on an IOSH survey of median pay rates. The latest report is based on a very small number of respondents who by the nature of the survey are heavily skewed towards IOSH members. Lots of people doing H&S as part or all of their jobs completely out of the scope of the IOSH survey - and they are PROBABLY more representative of people like you than those covered by the survey - particularly until you have at least a Level 3 OSH qualification e.g. the NEBOSH General.

Hence I endorse what Roundtuit has suggested in terms of benchmarking what is out there.

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Kate  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2024 10:09:02(UTC)
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Kate

Some of the specialist H&S recruitment agencies also do salary surveys.  But I agree that looking at the advertised pay of similar jobs is the most accurate way to estimate your worth.

HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 01 July 2024 10:06:55(UTC)
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HSSnail

At the end of the day a job is worth what the employer is willing to pay and what your prepared to accept. Its all well an good trying to make comparisons but as others have said there are so many variables. Nothing lost by asking for a pay rise - but if you dont get it see what else in available near to you, try applying for a few roles paid more and see what response you get. If offered a job may be able to use this as a means of getting a rise. Not suggesting you make it a threat - as thats a good way to part company with an employer.

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MikeKelly on 04/07/2024(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 04 July 2024 08:11:50(UTC)
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Roundtuit

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Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 04 July 2024 08:11:50(UTC)
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Roundtuit

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Argyll  
#11 Posted : 21 July 2024 21:40:32(UTC)
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Argyll

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

Some of the specialist H&S recruitment agencies also do salary surveys.  But I agree that looking at the advertised pay of similar jobs is the most accurate way to estimate your worth.


With the obvious caveat that this report relates to another country (Canada), the Board of Registered Safety Professionals over here conducts regular salary surveys; perhaps some of you may be curious to take a look at it. I'm unclear as to the rules for including links (BCRSP is a not-for-profit orgnaization), but it is a publicly available report from 2023 that's easy to find online.

Respectfully,

Argyll.  

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