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Does anyone know where I could purchase the IOSH risk assessment game for some in-house training, I used it as part of the MS course in my old job and seemed to be quite a good learning tool.
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We thought of, but not done it yet, of staging the hazards in our workplace and creating a similar game of hazard spotting and implementing controls. You could stills or a make a video of your own workplace.
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I dislike the IOSH Managing Safety risk assessment technique and the associated (contrived) board game.
I now realise why so many of my clients have so many over-complicated and frankly rather pointless, risk assessment 'records', as I attended this course last year just to see what it covered. (Yes I passed!!). I despair, I really do, I expect better of IOSH.
The methodology has no scientific validation or even HSE backing, and whilst may be of use in training SAFETY people, is way too OTT for managers and as an effective and usable method in the real world.
Think carefully about what you are trying to achieve, with whom, and then consider what tools and techniques would support this. Ask for more ideas on this forum . . . ?
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aud wrote:I dislike the IOSH Managing Safety risk assessment technique and the associated (contrived) board game.
I now realise why so many of my clients have so many over-complicated and frankly rather pointless, risk assessment 'records', as I attended this course last year just to see what it covered. (Yes I passed!!). I despair, I really do, I expect better of IOSH.
The methodology has no scientific validation or even HSE backing, and whilst may be of use in training SAFETY people, is way too OTT for managers and as an effective and usable method in the real world.
Think carefully about what you are trying to achieve, with whom, and then consider what tools and techniques would support this. Ask for more ideas on this forum . . . ?
I knew A bit side tracking from original post but few things.. Health and Safety is not sexy , and you should sell in what ever you can, so game could be a proper way Have you seen Risk assessment samples in HSE websites? then you may come up with one things , do not engage with hazard, risk assessments and other related terminologies because it is very subjective issue and every body has own interpretation..leave it SHV
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Roundtuit Another "interesting" name chosen by the bot. davisjohn, which if you switched it would be John Davis. Has the bot been looking at my family tree? John Davis Gotch was around when the family bank went bust.
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Delivered the IOSH Managing Safely for many years. All I can comment is when ever I delivered a re-qual my first question to the group was "what has changed in your workplace since you completed the IOSH Managing Safely course?". The universal answer was "NOTHING".
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O'Donnell, that is a VERY interesting comment! Did you do any analysis as to why it would appear that delegates attending IOSH MS appeared to achieve little, if anything, in terms of improving H&S at the coalface? [NOTE - I am not expecting that your answer might be statistically significant!]
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It became clear to me Peter that many on the courses were simply ticking a corporate box, management roles which required them to successfully complete the IOSH course, but no intention of them having any input on safety once back in the workplace.
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Thanks O'Donnell If replicated, good for the coffers of the training providers and IOSH Services Ltd. Not good in terms of advancing the principle that OSH should be owned by line managers.
Not good in terms of business productivity - organisations sending staff on courses that take up a lot of otherwise productive hours to little effect.
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Originally Posted by: peter gotch ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/iosh2/icon_latest_reply.gif) Thanks O'Donnell If replicated, good for the coffers of the training providers and IOSH Services Ltd. Not good in terms of advancing the principle that OSH should be owned by line managers.
Not good in terms of business productivity - organisations sending staff on courses that take up a lot of otherwise productive hours to little effect.
I agree. In my honest opinion this course should be aimed as an introduction to H&S as a carreer, rather than at Operational Managers. It is not suitable for many of the attendees who will come from employers with a H&S Advisor, or even a H&S Team, and therefore have minimum involvement in the day to day application of H&S. I further believe (here comes the controversy) that it stems from the attitude of many H&S bods that they have no responsibilites for health and safety, it's all on the employer and managers.
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Originally Posted by: O'Donnell54548 ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/iosh2/icon_latest_reply.gif) Originally Posted by: peter gotch ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/iosh2/icon_latest_reply.gif) Thanks O'Donnell If replicated, good for the coffers of the training providers and IOSH Services Ltd. Not good in terms of advancing the principle that OSH should be owned by line managers.
Not good in terms of business productivity - organisations sending staff on courses that take up a lot of otherwise productive hours to little effect.
I agree. In my honest opinion this course should be aimed as an introduction to H&S as a carreer, rather than at Operational Managers. It is not suitable for many of the attendees who will come from employers with a H&S Advisor, or even a H&S Team, and therefore have minimum involvement in the day to day application of H&S. I further believe (here comes the controversy) that it stems from the attitude of many H&S bods that they have no responsibilites for health and safety, it's all on the employer and managers.
I fully understand where you are coming from with your (controversial) comment, however as someone who has watched from the public gallery a manager getting absolutely rinsed in court for trying to argue that the H&S bod was responsible for the risk assessment/SSOW that they had directed the H&S bod to complete I can tell you that when tested at law the outcome was VERY clear that the responsibility was ALL on the employer and managers. As a side note the manager in question was found in contempt for repeatedly challenging the court over the H&S bod being responsible.
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Hi O'Donnell, I'm also on the other side of the controversy. Takes me back to the day I served a Prohibition Notice on a company as regards the use of a machine. Huge factory with a full time HSE Manager. But I asked to see the Works Manager who seemed a bit put out that I thought he should sign for the Notice. "Who is responsible for output in this factory?" "I am." "Who is responsible for the quality of output in this factory?" "I am." "So, who is responsible for making sure that the output is done with appropriate health and safety standards?" Didn't get an answer to that question, so said Works Manager got my standard comment about line managers owning H&S as an integral part of the job function. An onsite H&S professional was a bit rare in those days. However I had just done 4 years in construction and there were SOOOO many site agents who tried to make out that H&S was down to the Safety Bod even if they were a consultant who visited once a month.
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Holliday 42333 & peter gotch Although your comments are both valid and true, in the scenarios in which they are related, they perpetrate the opinion that H&S professional have no responsibility, or comeback, with regards to H&S in the workplace. For example: if you are a H&S MANAGER, then surely it is YOUR duty YOUR role to Manage H&S? The clue is in the job title. More controversy I know, but I have spent too many years working for Senior H&S Managers who could give you a two hour presentation on risk assessment, but could not actually carryout the simpliest RAM in practice, and then when anything goes wrong blame the Managers.
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Morning O'Donnell I have always been a bit concerned when the Safety Bods have titles such as Director, Manager or Officer. For the simple reason that such titles DO imply that these people should be managing and/or policing. .....and there are plenty of organisations in which line managers are more than content for this to be the case.
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