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Hendlem  
#1 Posted : 18 February 2025 10:23:13(UTC)
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Hendlem

As of next week, 2 shifts working in an aerosol production facility will merge into one (0700-1430hrs). 

3 staff members have been asked to stay on shift rotation, therefore every other week between 1430-2230, the individuals will be working in separate areas:

1. Bulk fill of solvents (ATEX area)

2. AdBlue production (non-ATEX area) which is approximately 40m walk from Bulk Fill and through a specialised, blast-proof door.

3. Working outside on FLT

The individual working in bulk fill of solvents is 7ft tall and wears an electromagnetic blood sugar monitor (obviously underneath antistatic clothing). My concern is that this area of the business is a good 80m away from our steel production facility and, if anything went wrong, no first aiders are in proximity. I am not confident that the individual has received sufficiently comprehensive training for what I consider to be a bespoke job with an elevated level of risk. Also, due to the ATEX area, the individual is not permitted to carry a mobile phone and has no access to an ATEX-rated radio. 

Personally, I don't believe this individual should be permitted to work alone and unsupervised, but my concern is that I may be being overzealous. Any advice appreciated. 

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 18 February 2025 11:33:49(UTC)
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peter gotch

Morning Hendlem

My first thought is what does the risk assessment (if any, and in whatever format) have to say about how the business has considered how the risk profile would change with this new shift pattern and how any increased risks would be mitigated?

If there isn't anything on this, then perhaps time for management to sit down and think through the issues, with input from those involved as appropriate.

However, then it seems to me that you might be overegging the conflation between what appear to be two somewhat interrelated concerns:

1. That the individual may be more vulnerable than others on at least once measure - hence the blood sugar monitor.

2. That they work in an ATEX zone and haven't got access to ATEX communication equipment.

Seems to me that No 2 could be easily solved.

As for No 1, I am not sure that a first aider being 80m away is that much of a problem UNLESS there are obstructions to rapid access from where the first aider might be to where the casualty might be.

The greater problem (mostly in terms of time) is how to work out that you have a casualty who might be in no condition to communicate, e.g. being unconscious.

Seems to me that in this respect this is no different from many lone working scenarios UNLESS you think that there is a particular risk that is directly connected to the person potentially collapsing.

So, as example, if this might mean that they could fall into a tank, then perhaps the first mitigation is to enhance the standard of the edge protection.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 18 February 2025 12:02:49(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In some cases it comes down to how blood sugar is monitored and the available equipment.

From the diabetes uk forum:

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/health-safety-issue-cgm-monitoring-v-work-site-rules.195800/

Main thing is to involve the affected party in any discussions about their employment e.g. switching activity to the Ad-Blue or FLT where ATEX is not an issue or company provision of an ATEX phone primarily to access the monitors App as a general free issue or available at work only.

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Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 18 February 2025 12:02:49(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In some cases it comes down to how blood sugar is monitored and the available equipment.

From the diabetes uk forum:

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/health-safety-issue-cgm-monitoring-v-work-site-rules.195800/

Main thing is to involve the affected party in any discussions about their employment e.g. switching activity to the Ad-Blue or FLT where ATEX is not an issue or company provision of an ATEX phone primarily to access the monitors App as a general free issue or available at work only.

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Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 19 February 2025 10:50:50(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

The mobile phone issue about ATEX areas is a bit of a red herring. There is a British Standard on enf radiations, which basically says transmissions of less than 1w of energy isn't a problem in an ATEX area - I assume these people are working in a Zone 2 area? Which effectively means there will only be a flammable atmosphere during equipment faults/leks and isn't expected in normal working conditions

Mobile phones are around 600mW 

antbruce001  
#6 Posted : 19 February 2025 12:37:49(UTC)
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antbruce001

Ian I appreciate your perspective, but I respectfully disagree. While you may be correct that the energy from EMR from a mobile phone should not act as a source of ignition, the phone is still an electrical device and, as such, should be suitably EX-rated for use in that environment.

Additionally, the guidance issued to the fire services by the HSE a few years ago explicitly stated that no devices with rechargeable  lithium batteries should be taken into a Zoned area — this included items as seemingly innocuous as smart watches.

I accept the risk is absolutely minimal, but legal compliance is legal compliance. I have worked with the HSEs Process Safety Experts in the past and some of them pull companies up for having a battery powered clock on the wall in a Zoned area!

Edited by user 19 February 2025 12:39:17(UTC)  | Reason: It didn't like Smart watches as one word!

Holliday42333  
#7 Posted : 19 February 2025 14:39:38(UTC)
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Holliday42333

Its a bit off topic but most ATEX rated phone/tablet covers are less well sealed than the device themselves.  The only difference being there is no reason for the average phone/tablet manufacturer to apply for |ATEX certification.

It should be very little issue to get an ATEX radio to facillitate a solution.

Ian Bell2  
#8 Posted : 19 February 2025 16:53:51(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

It depends on how big your hazardous areas are. In general industry many hazardous areas can be quite small for production activities. Much depends on the flamamble liquid/gas and the process pressure that any leak may be at.

Enclosed storage areas can be quite big

thunderchild  
#9 Posted : 20 February 2025 14:29:04(UTC)
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thunderchild

How about a lone worker device that is set to dial a phone or tannoy? That is what we have and we use explosive materials.

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