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PIKEMAN  
#1 Posted : 15 October 2013 12:41:59(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

As sec 47 of HASAW has been removed, now the person suing must prove negligence, not just a breach of regulations. Does this mean that the Tort of Breach of Statutory Duty has squawked it's last? Is it an ex parrot (and so on..........................)?
Robert I  
#2 Posted : 15 October 2013 14:11:36(UTC)
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Robert I

Interesting Thought. I suspect that this will be one that will have to be tested by the Judiciary.
johnmurray  
#3 Posted : 15 October 2013 14:19:03(UTC)
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johnmurray

Probably. Maybe. Probably maybe, or maybe possibly. The government, in its guise of the Department of Insane and Stupid Policies, has decreed that from 01-04-2014 the H&SAW (etc) act will be replaced by the Applied Common Sense and Reliable Rumour Regulation. It will be obligatory, and maybe mandatory, to consult "Fred" in the janitorial department before carrying out any task which, by its nature or colour, is deemed to be risky above 3 on the "Fred" scale of risk (as amended by "Joe", the first aider). Further insane rumours may be manufactured as wanted by the Committee for the Application of Total Lunacy and Stupidity (cabinet office)
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 15 October 2013 17:05:15(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Robert I wrote:
Interesting Thought. I suspect that this will be one that will have to be tested by the Judiciary.
It can't be "tested" - it's been revoked by Regulatory Reform. End of. For shame - a huge backward leap for democracy and the lot of the working man.
peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 15 October 2013 17:37:17(UTC)
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peter gotch

Section 47 has been amended (rather than repealed) with some text that will be difficult for the Man on the Clapham Omnibus to understand.
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2013 14:00:01(UTC)
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Canopener

Section 47 per se has not been removed/repealed, although there is an amendment to 47(2) that amounts to what the OP has alluded to. From what I understand, an action for breach of statutory duty in relation to those regs made under HASAWA (where civil liability wasn’t already ‘barred’) is now not an option, unless the specific regulations make provision for this. So whether it is totally dead in the water, or whether there is a reg made under HASAWA that specifically has a provision that allows for this, I personally do now know. I can’t see this being ‘tested’, unless by judicial review (unlikely!). Anyone attempting to sue for such would presumably be ‘defeated’ at an early opportunity by any reasonably competent defence team, simply on the basis that the law does not provide for such.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2013 22:47:40(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Whilst s.47 is extant, the circumstance of potential civil liability for breach of statutory duty would only apply to specific regulations the Secretary of State sees fit to make under this Section. And there aren't any. Not revoked, but essentially closed-off by the Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Act 2013.
johnmurray  
#8 Posted : 17 October 2013 08:08:51(UTC)
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johnmurray

Not bad. Removal of over 100-year-old law because the Lofsted report said nothing of the sort! "the Lofstedt report itself states that health and safety regulations are broadly accepted to have been an important contributory factor in safer workplaces with the evidence showing that legislation is the primary driver for organisations to initiate changes to improve management of health and safety" But then, in this "back to the workhouse" society........
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 17 October 2013 21:55:18(UTC)
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RayRapp

It will be interesting to see an actual case where the injured party makes a claim against his employer with respect to the tort of negligence and wins or loses the case. The latter the acid test me thinks. After all, the claim by the Government was that the statutory duty was too onerous for employers and not necessary when a claim for negligence can be made. I guess the rationale is that a 'genuine' claim will be successful in court...we will see.
Phil Grace  
#10 Posted : 18 October 2013 08:07:43(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Ray, Was it not that the STRICT liability provision was regarded as too onerus....? But there were only a few pieces of legislation that were strict and so Govt took easy option. Rather than searching through and making indivudal changes they simply eliminated any opportunity to make a civil claim on basis of breach of statutory duty. It should be remembered that the statuory duty could still be advanced as an example of "best practice" and evidence put forward to show that employer hadn't adopted such best practice and that as a result they had been negligent. As you say, it will be interesting to see the first cases come through. I'm not expecting any significant change either in number or outcome. Phil
RayRapp  
#11 Posted : 18 October 2013 08:54:25(UTC)
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RayRapp

Phil Indeed it was the strict liability aspect of h&s regulatory law which was also included in the Lofstedt Report. I don't really know how or why the breach of a statutory duty became embroiled, except I seem to recall reading something to the effect that the concept had become unfair (too onerous in my own words) for employers. The premise by this government is that we live in a blame and claim society, where individuals are often conning the system. Hence a genuine claim will be seen as such by the court and vice versa. This of course is all part of the maelstrom associated with 'red tape' - a convenient ruse to rid the UK of the 'burden' of health and safety laws.
RSOK  
#12 Posted : 18 October 2013 16:41:57(UTC)
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RSOK

Guys, Some have said (to paraphrase) Section 47 has 'gone' but I'm not sure it has yet. I believe, although I could be wrong (gasp!) that there is a three year window of 'opportunity' (?) to make a claim against an employer in regards to breach of statutory duty. Or am I seriously wrong here? Rich
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2013 17:03:22(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

3 years, or longer for young person by my interpretation of this from the E& Regulatory Reform Act 2013 "The amendments made by this section do not apply in relation to breach of a duty where that breach occurs before the commencement of this section." (Section 69)
Canopener  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2013 19:00:39(UTC)
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Canopener

RSOK wrote:
Guys, Some have said (to paraphrase) Section 47 has 'gone' but I'm not sure it has yet. I believe, although I could be wrong (gasp!) that there is a three year window of 'opportunity' (?) to make a claim against an employer in regards to breach of statutory duty. Or am I seriously wrong here? Rich
47 per se hasn't 'gone'. You refer to the Limitation Act 1980, which isn't confined to those claims resulting solely from a breach of SD , and I don't think us affected by the changes to 47 either.
PIKEMAN  
#15 Posted : 22 October 2013 08:25:36(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

I have just seen an update from one of those H&S info companies which states plainly that you will no longer be able to sue for breach of statutory duty, you need to sue for negligance.
djupnorth  
#16 Posted : 22 October 2013 13:01:40(UTC)
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djupnorth

Canopener, I could not agree more about the wording of s.47 HSWA. The exception to the removal of the right to bring a breach of statutory duty claim in respect of a breach of health and safety regulations now applies in respect of all regulations except the provisions of the Management of Health and Safety at Work (and any other) Regulations that expressely related to expectant mothers. Protection for this group of women is enshrined in EU law and cannot be altered by the UK government. My understanding is that with this exeption, it is now not open to anybody to bring a breach of statutory duty claim in respect of health and safety as non of the regulations make express provisions for such a claim. My view is that any attempt to Judicial Review the government's decision to remove this option to claimants is likely to fail. So, to that extent the famous (or infamous) 'double-barrelled attack' is dead and gone. Regards. DJ
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