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Steve W1  
#1 Posted : 09 June 2014 12:13:23(UTC)
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Steve W1

My Company's insurers are insisting that we store our aerosols in a meshed area. Anybody got any info on this subject. We would like to store pallets of aerosols in our warehouse using our existing racking systems. Does anybody know any company's that could do the work for us and could advise us on the legal requirements. We are a large retail and warehousing company (aerosols include :- Deodorant / De-icer etc. Steve w
Rees21880  
#2 Posted : 09 June 2014 12:22:34(UTC)
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Rees21880

hi Steve Have you checked the BAMA requirements - the use of mesh used to be standard practice, but it depends on lots of things, especially the size of warehouse etc. Try this link though I think that the documents are not free unless your company is a member. http://www.bama.co.uk/
stevie40  
#3 Posted : 09 June 2014 12:37:53(UTC)
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stevie40

It is a requirement I've made in the past (as an insurer surveyor) and there is a sound reasoning behind it. I suspect your warehouse is sprinklered. With sprinklers, there is a maximum design capacity which I seem to recall was 18 heads operating at once. Any more than that and the water pressure drops off considerably, making the sprinklers ineffective. Aerosol containers behave like mini flaming projectiles in a fire and create additional seats of fire. More and more sprinklers operate to control these fires and the design capacity is soon exceeeded and the warehouse is a total loss. By using meshed racking or post pallets with mesh sides, you prevent the lit aerosols launching across the warehouse and allow the sprinkler system to control the fire at the original point of origin.
walker  
#4 Posted : 09 June 2014 13:45:29(UTC)
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walker

Amazing what you can learn here!
James Robinson  
#5 Posted : 09 June 2014 14:01:59(UTC)
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James Robinson

Many moons ago I was involved in the clean up of a warehouse fire for a large health care company. The building was gutted and we were finding spent aerosol cans over 1/2 a mile away. The things were going off like fireworks. I understand the need to contain them to prevent spread, and in effect keep the fire local.
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 09 June 2014 14:22:34(UTC)
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David Bannister

Like stevie40 I too have made this requirement on behalf of the property insurers. Regardless of whether the warehouse is sprinklered (if not, why not?), the reasons for wanting the aerosols to be contained are valid. Many years ago I recall a fire at a car products warehouse which was visible from my house some 5 miles away. Also I was present at a demo by a sprinkler Co demonstrating the quantities of water needed to deal with aerosols in a fire (non-combustible contents with non-flammable propellant = OK; non-combustible contents with flammable propellant = not so OK; combustible contents with flammable propellant eg hair lacquer = gigantic quantity of water needed over a considerable period of time). De-icer is probably alcohol with hexane propellant. The lessons I learned there were valuable: aerosols are very dangerous in a fire situation. Whilst I would expect your personnel to be well clear of any aerosol fire by the time they start going bang, you may well be advised to take a look at your risk assessment and emergency procedures to see that the risk to life is properly addressed. Steve, your insurers should be able to provide a specification for the meshing. Why not use this as the basis of a tender process for local contractors.
Taylor-Walster25923  
#7 Posted : 09 June 2014 15:36:58(UTC)
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Taylor-Walster25923

Steve, You may also need to look at the design of the sprinkler system within the new caged area as the existing design my not be suitable for flammable aerosol storage Carl
Mr.Flibble  
#8 Posted : 09 June 2014 15:47:04(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Hi In a previous life the Warehouse I worked at started to store aerosols, although not caged the racking did have sprinklers as previously mentioned. Other things to keep in mind - depending on the volume you intent to store; 1. You may fall under the COMAH regs if you have sufficient amount (life of me I can remember how much). 2. You may want to look at gas detectors on the racking, on the MHE (if using trucks) and when unloading vehicles. 3. A system for dealing with leaking or damaged canisters - ours went to cage outside to sit and vent. 4. Our trucks had to be AMEX rated - to ensure that no spark was caused if the forks went through some stork or ran over them etc - but again we did store a lot. As someone else has mentioned the BAMA is your best source of information.
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 09 June 2014 16:35:09(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Mr.Flibble wrote:
to ensure that no spark was caused if the forks went through some stork
I didn't realise margarine was so dangerous!!!
stevie40  
#10 Posted : 09 June 2014 16:41:25(UTC)
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stevie40

Safety Smurf wrote:
Mr.Flibble wrote:
to ensure that no spark was caused if the forks went through some stork
I didn't realise margarine was so dangerous!!!
Its lethal - no really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_Tunnel
Andrew W Walker  
#11 Posted : 09 June 2014 16:41:51(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Safety Smurf wrote:
Mr.Flibble wrote:
to ensure that no spark was caused if the forks went through some stork
I didn't realise margarine was so dangerous!!!
Mont Blanc fire in the 90's and my cholesterol level.
firesafety101  
#12 Posted : 09 June 2014 21:31:05(UTC)
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firesafety101

You are all right when discussing containment within a meshed area, and sprinkler systems and their limitations, but please remember prevention is far far better than cure. Ensure your fire prevention is spot on and keep your canisters well away from possible fire/ignition hazards. If you can also separate the canisters away from combustible materials that will also help. If you can store them in fresh air as well outside the building no need to worry about the sprinkler system ???????????
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