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chris42  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2015 09:33:51(UTC)
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chris42

Hi all

I was thinking about undertaking the NEBOSH Fire Cert, last year I looked into fire issues out of curiosity and it peaked my interest. However more recently I noted that there were a couple of threads about the NEBOSH Fire cert and it seemed to indicate that you will need to have done the NEBOSH cert or dip in the last 5 years (NEBOSH site didn't seem to actually say this anywhere I could find). Sadly for me I did the Dip further back than that, so I think I would have to undertake the NCG1 again if I wanted to do the NEBOSH Fire Cert.

I don't want to do that, so the question is are there alternative fire training courses that are equally recognised ( both when job hunting and for being a good course). I hope NEBOSH don't hold a monopoly on this.

I have googled this and some courses come up, ie BRE etc but I have not idea as to how recognised / good they are.

Thanks for any help
Chris
jodieclark1510  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2015 09:58:26(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

The Institute of Fire Engineers are quite well known, I applied for a job recently and they asked if I was a member with them/ had training through them, they range from multiple choice tests to 3 hour exams over a number of units.

Vulcan also do Fire Safety courses- I am looking at NEBOSH Conversion to Fire Manager as I have the the Fire Cert already but they do a range of courses in Fire Safety.

Hope this helps

Jodie
wood1e  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2015 10:16:37(UTC)
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wood1e

Chris,
Look at the FPA, Fire protection Association, they do a complete suite of modular courses, recognised by the IFE, IFSM. up to and including BSC and European Diploma. Also the Fire Service College (Moreton in the Marsh) do a lot of the FPA courses especially those with a practical element.
Personally, after the diploma and general fire knowledge I found the NEBOSH Fire Cert a bit basic, so would say the FPA route or similar may be better if you want to broaden your knowledge.
Jonlukejackson  
#4 Posted : 07 January 2015 11:41:45(UTC)
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Jonlukejackson

Hello Chris

Alot of fire service now use XACT for training there fire protection departments, they do different levels of training which you will see on there website. I have attended a few of these and they were very good.

http://www.xact.org.uk/fire_safety/index.html
chris42  
#5 Posted : 07 January 2015 12:05:20(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks all for the replies, some things to think about.

How well are these other qualifications taken when looking for jobs. Jodie noted that the recruiters had asked for membership of Fire engineers.

The XACT courses seem to be by level ( level 3 seems to be about the same as the NEBOSH Fire cert). I have never heard of these people and seem to be a small training consultancy, so a little unsure how good that would be for job hunting purposes.

The FPA I have seen on junk mail inside SHP, as with the others how well respected are they all.

I guess the question is if you were a recruiter which would you rather see listed. This will be my money and my holidays if I do this, so I want to pick the best one to have.

Again thanks all for your input so far.
jodieclark1510  
#6 Posted : 07 January 2015 14:19:03(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

I think it depends on the amount of fire safety included in the role- but any way you look at it its always nice to have a bolt on. The position I applied for has a bit of Fire Safety involved so I think they feel membership shows commitment etc. I did my fire cert to celebrate passing my ngc (weird I know) and though I found it fairly hard it was well worth it. Now when I look at the conversion course I'm considering, that will be my own money and holiday again (5th self funded course/holiday used) if I do go ahead with it, hopefully it will help me develop in my career.

I would just make sure you do your research before putting any commitment forward.

Jodie
chris42  
#7 Posted : 08 January 2015 09:45:26(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks for the reply Jodie very helpful.

I really want to change jobs, so don't know what level would be useful. Interestingly you mention conversion to fire Manager above. I 'm not looking to move over into Fire Risk assessment full time, but that sounds interesting. What I think I want is to be able to do the fire risk assessment for the company I work for at the time ( though not this particular one). At the very least be able to spot any deficiencies or issues there may be with the organisation I'm with at any time. Obviously useful when the company want to make changes to layout etc. When job hunting I would like to have whatever the company would like to see as a qualification ( to be able to do their assessments). This is why I posted on here, it is that I'm uncertain what I should be doing to achieve the above.

The subject did peak my interest last summer and I asked a few questions on here. However I was still left with a number of unanswered questions, but didn't feel people wanted to help any further. So hence thought about formal training where I can interrogate the tutor.

I guess the best course of action now is to look at job adverts and see what they are looking for.

Again thanks for everyone's input.

Chris
Andrew W Walker  
#8 Posted : 08 January 2015 09:58:30(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Chris.

I did the fire managers course with Vulcan.
http://www.vulcanfiretraining.co.uk/

The tutors were very knowledgeable and the course was well presented- and the documents were first class.

I think it would benefit your cv if you had something like this on there. Having completed the course your are eligible to join a professional body- the Institute of Fire Safety Managers.

I have no commercial connection to Vulcan

Hope this helps

Andy
jodieclark1510  
#9 Posted : 08 January 2015 10:17:32(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Hi Chris

I believe with Vulcan there is a fair variety of courses available depending on what you want. I'm not looking to be a fire manager full time but it would be another skill and knowledge base I could draw upon when required. Quite often you will see people want the fire cert, but I think that's quite often because they aren't sure of anything else available. If you can show you have attended a course and attained some kind of qualification- along with what you already have, you shouldnt have any problems. it might be worth getting on the sme providers/fire organisations and ask them what equates to nebosh level etc and take it from there. I am doing that at the minute with IFE.

I hope this helps somehow

Jodie
SW  
#10 Posted : 08 January 2015 10:44:19(UTC)
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SW

Hi Chris

Yes, I too echo what Motorhead has stated - I did the Fire Manager course with them, excellent tutor and course materials and really enjoyed it.

Have done a few freelance FRA and enjoying them more than my normal full-time employment as a H&S Manager.

I sent you a PM but you are very popular and your inbox is full!

Regards

SW
chris42  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2015 11:14:17(UTC)
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chris42

PM inbox now has a bit more room ( sadly you have to delete things even though it looks like you can archive, you cannot). Not sure about popular, just bad at managing in box.

Again thanks to all for the replies. I have seen other posts over the years praising Vulcan training so that sounds an option. All I need now is that internal discussion in my head about actually parting with the money.

Cheers
Chris
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