Sorry Firesafety, but I will have to politely disagree - shop fitout programmes - I have worked on several large roll outs for banks, retailers, the big four supermarkets - are more process orientated and are easy to deliver the CDMC role for - the main challenge is keeping track of the programme and deliverables per store / fitout. However it does get more challenging and these do not compare to much bigger, high risk schemes which are not as easy to time the CDMC deliverables given lengthy design and procurement programmes and of course much longer construction phases with design. The CDMC is actually a competent construction H&S advisor in terms of the Management Regs - and I think UK construction has largely benefited from having mandatory advice available for each project - this advice is still necessary and I would caution anyone who thinks they will now save themselves money by not having a CDMC. The PD will not fulfil this role which is clear from the guidance. Client organisations still need access to competent H&S advice in regard to construction. Not all organisations will have this - even if they have access to more generalist H&S competent advice. Yes there might be some money for former CDMC's in assisting PD's such as architects etc with some of the H&S admin and giving advice. But the good CDMC's see themselves as competent construction H&S advisors in terms of the Management Regs - clients will continue to need access to this competent advice, the exception being they might not do this for all projects - savvy clients will employ a competent construction H&S advisor in terms of the Management Regs, and based on their size this could be an internal employee appointment or external consultant to assist them with their strategy for managing construction related H&S - they will then roll this advice out for their programme of construction projects possibly calling on external H&S resource (former CDMC's) to help them with the deliverables.

6foot4, brilliant name may I say, firstly let me thank you for as you say being polite with your disagreeing with my opinions. You may be correct regarding the need for clients to employ somebody with the nesessary competence for H&S advice but how will they know they need that? Some of them don't know what they need to know now? How will the ex CDM C get the foot in the door of the client's office in order to convince the client they are needed? Even if they do it will be the PD who has the final say because it will be their responsibility. IMO most PDs will seek help but not wish to pay large fees for it. As I say some of the existing CDM C work will be covered by the PD who will absorb it. If a PD is going to employ someone to assist with the new regulatory responsibilities I think it will be another designer who can assist with the designs and free up the PD for the extra CDM duties? As far as my situation is concerned I hit the magical 65 at Christmas and received my first old age pension last week. I passed on my CDM C work to a CDM C who works for a Design company and that company is now the CDM C for the shop fitting programme. (I was happy to let it go because the volume of work was very large, and they now have two people doing what I was doing). The way I see that going is the CDM C and assistant will simply carry on doing what they are doing but they will lose the CDM C title. The PD who is at present the Designer will be happy with his present arrangement continuing quite seamlessly. It will be more difficult for the CDM Coordinators who are just that to find CDM C work because there will be no such thing once the revised regs kick in. In my opinion.

Rus You are lumping all CDMCs together. Many CDMCs have design experience/construction experience in addition to their health and safety quals/experience. In my book this makes them more than capable of undertaking PD role on many projects. As I said in a previous post and I will re-iterate that here. If one of the intentions of these new regulations was to save the client money then I am afraid they will have failed before they even get out of the blocks. NO one will except PD responsibility and liability as a bolt on (as HSE hoped designers would), increased liability/responsibility for Client (which is going to cost them). It wont come cheap.