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Rilchiam  
#1 Posted : 19 August 2015 20:20:40(UTC)
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Rilchiam

In OHSAS 18001:2007 clause 3.8 there is a good definition of "ill health": "Identifiable, adverse physical or mental condition arising from and/or made worse by a work activity and/or work-related situation."

Is it true that ISO 45001 won't define "ill health"?
imwaldra  
#2 Posted : 20 August 2015 09:04:32(UTC)
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imwaldra

The draft that I've seen doesn't attempt to define every word or phrase, just those that may have particular meaning in the context of the standard.

But you are right, there's no formal definition of 'ill-health', nor indeed of 'injury'. An OH&S policy is 'to prevent work-related injury and ill health ...' and I guess those words are judged not to require any ISO-specific definition? But it's an interesting point you make.
jay  
#3 Posted : 20 August 2015 14:22:54(UTC)
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jay

In the first Committee Draft, i.e. ISO/CD 45001 of July 2014, there is under the definition of Incident:-,

incident:
occurrence arising out of or in the course of work that could or does result in death, injury or ill health

Note 1 to entry: An incident where injury or ill health occurs is referred to by some as an “accident.”

Note 2 to entry: An incident where no injury or ill health occurs is referred to by some as a “near- miss”, “near-hit”, “close call”, or “dangerous occurrence.”
Rilchiam  
#4 Posted : 20 August 2015 21:08:39(UTC)
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Rilchiam

Jay and Imwaldra,

Thank you for your replies.

Ill health in OHSAS 18001 is a "identifiable, adverse physical or mental condition arising from and/or made worse by a work activity and/or work-related situation."

The definition was important as for a long time there was resistance of employers agains the prevention of "mental ill health", as this also touches the ways how employers can deal with their employees.

In some European countries within the last two years mental and physical health explicitely were put on the same lavel in the occupational safety laws of these countries. For example, in Austria and germany the loss of what was clause 3.8 (ill health) in OHSAS 18001 can now be compensated by reference to safety laws (even though there still are enforcement issues).

But perhaps the OHSAS 18001 clause 3.8 didn't go into ISO 45001 in order to get acceptance from regions where employers (and governments) are used to exert strong pressure on workers. In these regions making mental health a subject of OH&S may lead conflicts with traditional leadership methods. Making rules mor international can lead to lower standards. I think that this is what happened here.

I know of a big 30000 employee compaly with several OHSAS 18001 certified sites. In that company "mental health" only is an issue in Germany and Austria (driven by works councils who had experienced internal auditors as members who referred to the law and to OHSAS 18001). Interestingly, only in Japan it was (as it should be) the management which initated improvements in the OS&H management of mental health. In Indonesia, China and Malaysia there is almost no protection against occupational mental ill health. The sites are certified, but workers learn about OHSAS 18001 only as a standard for managing phsical health and fostering the cleanliness of workplaces. You also can forget about consultations with employees (clause 4.4.3.2 in OHSAS 18001). The sites got certified nevertheless.
Rilchiam  
#5 Posted : 30 August 2015 09:47:59(UTC)
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Rilchiam

imwaldra wrote:
The draft that I've seen doesn't attempt to define every word or phrase, just those that may have particular meaning in the context of the standard.

But you are right, there's no formal definition of 'ill-health', nor indeed of 'injury'. An OH&S policy is 'to prevent work-related injury and ill health ...' and I guess those words are judged not to require any ISO-specific definition? But it's an interesting point you make.
Yes, there also is no formal definition of 'injury" either. But there *was* a formal definition of 'ill-health' in OHSAS 18001. So the question is not why a definition of 'ill-health' hasn't been included in ISO 45001. The question is why the formal definition of 'ill-health' has been intentionally omitted. As that definition was was available, there must have been some discussion about this issue.
Rilchiam  
#6 Posted : 30 August 2015 09:58:40(UTC)
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Rilchiam

Jay wrote:
In the first Committee Draft, i.e. ISO/CD 45001 of July 2014, there is under the definition of Incident:-,

incident:
occurrence arising out of or in the course of work that could or does result in death, injury or ill health

Note 1 to entry: An incident where injury or ill health occurs is referred to by some as an “accident.”
Note 2 to entry: An incident where no injury or ill health occurs is referred to by some as a “near- miss”, “near-hit”, “close call”, or “dangerous occurrence.”


"incident:
occurrence arising out of or in the course of work that could or does result in death, injury or ill health (regardles of severity)"
would be closer to OHSAS 18001. The employee side lost the improvements which they achieved when OHSAS 18001:1999 became OHSAS 18001:2007.
jay  
#7 Posted : 11 January 2016 12:20:33(UTC)
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jay

The draft International Standard (DIS) of ISO 45001 for public comment is now available and indeed has the definition of injury and ill health:-

3.18 injury and ill health
• adverse effect on the physical, mental or cognitive condition of a person
o Note 1 to entry: These conditions may include occupational disease, illness and death

http://www.iosh.co.uk/Ne...dard-made-available.aspx
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