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Kharn  
#1 Posted : 16 February 2018 18:03:28(UTC)
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Kharn

Hello,

I am currently a serving Royal Engineer and trying to think long term about my future. I’ve started to be put into different roles within my work and heard from a RAF lad I was recently on a course with that I can get civilian qualification for courses I’ve already attended and passed with the military. How true this is I don’t know.

I have manual handling train the trainer qualification JPA only.
Unit Fire Safety warden- achieved at DFRMO Raf mansion. Responsible for maintaining fire safety standards at unit level.
UNit Fire Safety Awareness Trainer- achieved at DFRMO Raf mansion. Responsible for carry out annual fire training and awareness training annually and periodically in the Unit.
PAT tester qualified. JPA only.
MATT 3 battlefield casualty drill first aid instructor.
Combat Health Duties- pest control and rodent control qualified.

Full clean driving license.

Security clearance.

Being an NCO if I was to use the Army Skills Offer I’d get a chartered management Level 2/3 qualification so I’m let to believe

Having served over 8 years I would be entitled to get some Enhanced Learning Criedits but what to use them on for the future I’m unsure. Hence my query.

Any help and tips in this matter would be fantastic and much appreciated.

Kharn

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 19 February 2018 14:07:08(UTC)
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peter gotch

Kharn

Think you would get a better response if you spelt out all the military jargon, and preferably split your message into a number of individual questions.

At present, I for one am having great difficulty in understanding your message.

Good luck, Peter

DaveBridle  
#3 Posted : 19 February 2018 16:47:32(UTC)
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DaveBridle

Hi Kharn,

Being ex-services (left in 2013), I can confirm that certain courses you have undertaken throughout your career can either be transferred into "civvy" qualifications or be used as part towards gaining the civilian equivalent.

Some of the courses you quoted such as MATT 3 are based on military requirements and whilst not easily transferrable to a civilian qualification they will have given you valuable experience and skills that when worded correctly (i.e. remove all military jargon) on a CV will help you.

First point of call will be your unit education officer or regional resettlement office.  That should be able to advise on which courses you have done have a transferrable civyy equivalent.  Your JPA competence record should hold all the courses.  Also put a bit of leg work into contacting the course providers to see if their course is accredited to any civilian awarding body - then approach the awarding body to see if they can issue you a certificate (there may be a cost associated with it).

Overall the aim is to civilianise your competence to make you more attractive to a potential employer.

Good luck.

SNS  
#4 Posted : 19 February 2018 21:34:21(UTC)
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SNS

Hi Kharn,

Also exmil but been out since 2008. Dave Bridle gives good advice.

Get the ELCs sorted out, there may be something you want to do on resettlemet that they can contribute towards, and after that they will be valid for a while - I've just used mine after nearly 10 years.

Geographically where do you intend to settle? Depending on what you want to do or where the resettlement teams often have links to vacancies.

The Regular Forces Employment Agency (as was now RFEA https://www.ctp.org.uk/employment-support are pretty good too.

Don't take the first 'No' answer if there is something you want as resettlement, depending on your entitlements use all the available briefings and courses.

As far as the admin branch are concerned the day after you leave you are forgotten, Regimental associations or groups are not as harsh. Once out its a whole new world - civvies just don't get the humour and jargon.

Good luck on the adventure.

Kharn  
#5 Posted : 22 February 2018 20:56:31(UTC)
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Kharn

Gents,

Many many thanks, I’ve contacted CTP, and been I touch with multiple civilian agencies to see if I can transfer had some
Good and some not so good replies but thank you for the tips and directions. Also used the Army skills offer.

Geographic settle down point I’m hoping to be around north west England- Lancashire.

Once again many thanks.

Kharn
Mark-W  
#6 Posted : 29 March 2018 08:38:17(UTC)
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Mark-W

As an ex Royal Engineer, I feel your pain. Your best bet is to go to your local education centre and speak to the RO. He will have the downlow on all that you need. Failing that, I'm sure there is someone at Chatham that can offer advice.

With regards to CTP, once you are out you no longer have to ensure the course is of benefit to the service. But it has to be Lvl3 or above. It used to be that you could go to any trg provider for trg, but it's changed now and you can only use the accredited companys.

I called and mailed the local RFEA after I left and they were useless. The CTP course (3 day) wasn't much better. As a SNCO it was tailored to brainwashing us into thinking that we had no option but to be managers when we left. I didn't want that, I wanted an easy life with a simple job to supplement my pension.

In the end I set up my own H&S consultancy, I work 3 or 4 days a week. I have a very comfortable life.

Don't be blinkered into going down the H&S construction route. Civvy tradesmen don't like abiding by the rules and will argue the toss. So many more easier ways to earn H&S money

geordierfc  
#7 Posted : 23 April 2018 11:35:14(UTC)
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geordierfc

Kharn

I am ex army out 10yrs, you should speak to your Career Management Officer or Resttlemet Officer/Education Centre

When passed my SNCO promotion it was equivelent to Level 3 - ILM management

There are lots of transferrable military skills but you need to sort it out sooner before you leave

Good luck

Originally Posted by: Kharn Go to Quoted Post
Hello,

I am currently a serving Royal Engineer and trying to think long term about my future. I’ve started to be put into different roles within my work and heard from a RAF lad I was recently on a course with that I can get civilian qualification for courses I’ve already attended and passed with the military. How true this is I don’t know.

I have manual handling train the trainer qualification JPA only.
Unit Fire Safety warden- achieved at DFRMO Raf mansion. Responsible for maintaining fire safety standards at unit level.
UNit Fire Safety Awareness Trainer- achieved at DFRMO Raf mansion. Responsible for carry out annual fire training and awareness training annually and periodically in the Unit.
PAT tester qualified. JPA only.
MATT 3 battlefield casualty drill first aid instructor.
Combat Health Duties- pest control and rodent control qualified.

Full clean driving license.

Security clearance.

Being an NCO if I was to use the Army Skills Offer I’d get a chartered management Level 2/3 qualification so I’m let to believe

Having served over 8 years I would be entitled to get some Enhanced Learning Criedits but what to use them on for the future I’m unsure. Hence my query.

Any help and tips in this matter would be fantastic and much appreciated.

Kharn

geordierfc  
#8 Posted : 23 April 2018 11:42:12(UTC)
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geordierfc

Kharn

Also check enhanced learning credits, I got 3 x £1000 course grants to be used up to 10 years after I left.  I just used my last one as part of Level 5 Diploma H&S.

Worth asking your HR /Education people for advice.

cheers good luck

Originally Posted by: Kharn Go to Quoted Post
Gents,

Many many thanks, I’ve contacted CTP, and been I touch with multiple civilian agencies to see if I can transfer had some
Good and some not so good replies but thank you for the tips and directions. Also used the Army skills offer.

Geographic settle down point I’m hoping to be around north west England- Lancashire.

Once again many thanks.

Kharn

Mark-W  
#9 Posted : 11 May 2018 08:20:29(UTC)
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Mark-W

Originally Posted by: geordierfc Go to Quoted Post

Kharn

Also check enhanced learning credits, I got 3 x £1000 course grants to be used up to 10 years after I left.  I just used my last one as part of Level 5 Diploma H&S.

Worth asking your HR /Education people for advice.

cheers good luck


Are you sure thats correct? 3 X £1000, I thought it was 3 X £2000. Could be wrong. Also you can exchange all 3 payments for a Degree IIRC

Steve Granger  
#10 Posted : 11 May 2018 15:12:55(UTC)
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Steve Granger

Kharn - sorry to disagree with who you should talk to but..... come and talk to us! Every Branch operates an open door policy so find out where is near to you and get down there to meet real people in real H&S jobs. You will find half the meeting will look at you funny (that will be the Navy), the other half will look at you with suspicion (that will be the Flyers), another half will recognise you still owe them money (Canon fodder types) and the last half won't care who you are as long as you stop using abs. (they will be the civvies).

The H&S Expo is soon in London with free registration - it is a good place to just wander round and see what it is all about. If this isn't easy there are others throughout the year - just do a search.

You might also find a company near you and go knock on the door of the H&S person.... H&S - its a people thing....

Edited by user 11 May 2018 15:15:17(UTC)  | Reason: tpyo

Kelvin Jones  
#11 Posted : 15 June 2018 09:37:35(UTC)
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Kelvin Jones

Hi Kharn, I left in 2001after completing a full career and went straight into self-employment teaching first aid at work, which is a very small part of the health & safety jigsaw puzzle albeit important.  As I took enquiries over the years building up my client base they were asking questions such as fire safety, manual handling, working at heights, working in confined spaces, AED, etc.  I then realised as a training provider, that I had to retrain and gain additional instructor qualifications to offer this type of training.  I am sure in your role you hold many different qualifications, to do your job.  Let’s talk about health and safety.

First qualification, is get yourself a decent Level 3 or above teaching qualification.  It used to be PTTLs, CTTLs and DTTLS now it is the Level 3 in Education and Training.

Next qualification, get yourself a assessor qualification IQA/EQA.  It used to be the old D32/33, then A1/A2 qualification and now QCF NVQ Level 3 Assessor Certificate in Assessing Vocational Achievement.

The next qualification will depend on what do you want to do in health and safety.  A generalist or specialist?  I am a generalist and very happy with it.  A specialist would be someone who specialise in, for example Utilities (Petrol, Gas, Chemical), Construction or Environment industry. 

I recommend that you get a NEBOSH Level 3 General certificate or equivilant.  NEBOSH stands for National Examination Board Occupational Safety Health and involves theory and practical examinations.  If you feel that you are an outdoor person then the NEBOSH Construction or Environment certificate may be the route to choose (specialist).

Most health and safety jobs want you to hold this level 3 qualification as a bare minimum and can offer anything between £20,000 - £30,000 pa full time.  Maybe more down South of England.

After you have gained anyone of these qualification, join either IOSH (Institute of Occupational Safety Health), you will be award TECH IOSH status or IIRSM (Institute International Risk Safety Management).  Either one will give you some sort of health and safety recognition.  I can’t really vouch for IIRSM but I have been told it is on par with IOSH.  If you enjoy this role then you can progress towards Chartered status which make you an expert in your field with wages up to £50,000 plus.  Scary I know!  But when there is high wages there is high pressures and responsibilities.

This route towards chartered status can take between 3 – 5 years.

After the level 3 NEBOSH then there are 2 more qualifications which you must take before your journey starts towards Chartered status.

Level 5 – Diploma in Occupational Safety and Health – NVQ.

Level 6 – NEBOSH National Diploma -  Very Academia.

After completing either Level 5 or 6 then it is 2 year journey to gaining Chartered status.

Hope this helps.

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