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rockybalboa  
#1 Posted : 05 April 2018 00:42:36(UTC)
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rockybalboa

I noticed the previous post from Pete :  http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...Law-to-Health-and-Safety


Im considering changing form health and safety to law and wondered if there was any advice I could receive.  I PMd Pete and wondered if others have any thoughts.

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 05 April 2018 08:44:02(UTC)
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peter gotch

What sort of role are you considering? Lawyer, paralegal etc 

rockybalboa  
#3 Posted : 05 April 2018 09:07:11(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Probably lawyer, contractual law maybe, general council. Paralegal is maybe a bit entry level I think.
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 05 April 2018 15:56:52(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Part of the problem with becoming a lawyer is that there are so many routes available eg for a solicitor one possible route is recognised law degree (not all law degrees are recognised as suitable for the legal profession but you can do a one year conversion course), one year legal practice exam, and then a period of time as a trainee solicitor (articled clerk) A barrister is similar but you have to join an Inn of Court and become a pupil (an unpaid assistant) to a qualified barrister.

As a para legal (legal executive) you can also move up through the ranks and then convert to a solicitor (you we will be earning as you are training-which is nice)

The problem with all of these routes is that a) you have to pay for your training and b) they involved an element of practical work experience which might be either unpaid or low pay.

rockybalboa  
#5 Posted : 06 April 2018 01:26:10(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Yes unpaid experience is awful. It's all I hear the days. I'm even against overtime unpaid which is expected as daily operation rather than by exception. Overall it is a big cost, I know, perhaps even engineering. Lots of people available after the oil and gas downturn and carillon debacle. Hard to decide really.
Kate  
#6 Posted : 06 April 2018 08:20:13(UTC)
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Kate

I don't understand why you would expect to enter another profession at anything above entry level!

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watcher on 06/04/2018(UTC), N Hancock on 17/04/2018(UTC)
rockybalboa  
#7 Posted : 06 April 2018 10:53:13(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
I don't understand why you would expect to enter another profession at anything above entry level!


So your advice to me would be...
Kate  
#8 Posted : 06 April 2018 11:01:41(UTC)
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Kate

... don't be overconfident.

rockybalboa  
#9 Posted : 06 April 2018 11:05:26(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Thanks for that, no exclamation mark on that post I see, I'll bear your advice in mind.
SNS  
#10 Posted : 06 April 2018 12:29:58(UTC)
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SNS

A law degree might also open doors to insurance investigtion posts if that was an interest.

Open University do Law courses but as has been mentioned depending which branch you want to end up in would need conversion and experience.

Training loans are available and you don't begin to repay them until at around 25K now.

Whatever you go for making the decision and then taking the first steps will be the most challenging

watcher  
#11 Posted : 06 April 2018 14:30:49(UTC)
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watcher

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

... don't be overconfident.


Quite

rockybalboa  
#12 Posted : 08 April 2018 03:00:03(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: SNS Go to Quoted Post
A law degree might also open doors to insurance investigtion posts if that was an interest.Open University do Law courses but as has been mentioned depending which branch you want to end up in would need conversion and experience.Training loans are available and you don't begin to repay them until at around 25K now.Whatever you go for making the decision and then taking the first steps will be the most challenging


Definitely about first steps, I'm going through an emigration process to Canada too looking into bcrsp also. Big steps overall and now is the career / life change process. Think I'll look into the OU courses.
rockybalboa  
#13 Posted : 08 April 2018 03:11:45(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Quite



Is this post aimed at me or Kate? I'm not sure if your post was mostly deleted and you posted one word by mistake. If not, it's hard to take any benefit from one word posts, kinda seems a lot like spamming the post chain tbh as I've no idea who you're aiming the post at and there's no response to my original question.
peter gotch  
#14 Posted : 08 April 2018 12:19:27(UTC)
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peter gotch

Rocky

Your original question was thin; since then you have added in another variable i.e. emigration where the law will vary substantially from the U.K. though with some parallels in relation to e.g. health and safety case law if you wanted to specialise in EHS law.

But from my perspective Kate's advice was and remains sound.

rockybalboa  
#15 Posted : 08 April 2018 13:45:35(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post
RockyYour original question was thin; since then you have added in another variable i.e. emigration where the law will vary substantially from the U.K. though with some parallels in relation to e.g. health and safety case law if you wanted to specialise in EHS law.But from my perspective Kate's advice was and remains sound.


Hey don't worry about it. Confidence is a relative term. Some are scared of doing a nc certificate whereas others are scared of a masters degree, not me. So I'll disagree with you and Kate and forge my way ahead. I did get an excellent PM response from Pete who was a lawyer his excellent and balanced response is exactly what I was looking for direct and clear with actual law experience. My sincere thanks to him. Top response.

All my best regards to those who forum responded. I think some people on here need confidence classes too btw. Over confidence lol, people probably said that to the Wright brothers haha. I'll take my thin questions elsewhere and won't add in any additional variables which some people can't handle.

Ta!
watcher  
#16 Posted : 09 April 2018 09:25:11(UTC)
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watcher

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Quite



Is this post aimed at me or Kate? I'm not sure if your post was mostly deleted and you posted one word by mistake. If not, it's hard to take any benefit from one word posts, kinda seems a lot like spamming the post chain tbh as I've no idea who you're aiming the post at and there's no response to my original question.

It's not "aimed" at anyone.  It's a response to Kate's comment.  That's "kinda" how post chains work.     Kate's advice is the most relevant on this whole thread.  HTH

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A Kurdziel on 09/04/2018(UTC)
peter gotch  
#17 Posted : 09 April 2018 16:13:05(UTC)
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peter gotch

Unfortunately, I've got a lot more experience of dealing with health and safety law at the sharp end than most. It includes someone falling onto the Rocks.

By no means the first time I ended up giving evidence in Court.

rockybalboa  
#18 Posted : 11 April 2018 01:19:19(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Quite



Is this post aimed at me or Kate? I'm not sure if your post was mostly deleted and you posted one word by mistake. If not, it's hard to take any benefit from one word posts, kinda seems a lot like spamming the post chain tbh as I've no idea who you're aiming the post at and there's no response to my original question.

It's not "aimed" at anyone.  It's a response to Kate's comment.  That's "kinda" how post chains work.     Kate's advice is the most relevant on this whole thread.  HTH


so one word confusing responses are "kinda" "how" "the" "post" "chain" "works", "thanks" "for" "that" "concise" "input", watcher: three posts later we've removed any confusion there may have been.  TLA

rockybalboa  
#19 Posted : 11 April 2018 01:41:49(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Unfortunately, I've got a lot more experience of dealing with health and safety law at the sharp end than most. It includes someone falling onto the Rocks.

By no means the first time I ended up giving evidence in Court. 

Funny you should say that, I also have more experience than most safety practitioners at the pointy end than lots.  How I measure this subjective statement is all in my head but you can take my word for it that its accurate

I dont know the case history of your rocks story but it sounds interesting please elaborate.

Giving evidence in court is something that safety practicioners I meet tend to blow hard about if theyve been in that position.  I listen in awe of the practitioners who have stepped foot in a court room, enthralling stories of that day are ususally delivered ad infinitum which I think is just cracking.

peter gotch  
#20 Posted : 11 April 2018 10:56:50(UTC)
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peter gotch

No elaboration on public forum - client confidentiality considerations. Suffice to say that I was misquoted both in well known red top newspaper, and then again in the final judgment. Interpretation of the words OR and AND important.

Lots of relevant case law pertinent to civil legal action.

watcher  
#21 Posted : 11 April 2018 11:42:44(UTC)
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watcher

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Quite



Is this post aimed at me or Kate? I'm not sure if your post was mostly deleted and you posted one word by mistake. If not, it's hard to take any benefit from one word posts, kinda seems a lot like spamming the post chain tbh as I've no idea who you're aiming the post at and there's no response to my original question.

It's not "aimed" at anyone.  It's a response to Kate's comment.  That's "kinda" how post chains work.     Kate's advice is the most relevant on this whole thread.  HTH


so one word confusing responses are "kinda" "how" "the" "post" "chain" "works", "thanks" "for" "that" "concise" "input", watcher: three posts later we've removed any confusion there may have been.  TLA


Confused by one word responses (to other people too)?  Bless

You'll go far.  One tip, though.  If you want to be general counsel, then it helps to spell it correctly. Something I'm sure a lowly paralegal would manage. 

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webstar on 11/04/2018(UTC)
rockybalboa  
#22 Posted : 12 April 2018 00:41:07(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Quite



Is this post aimed at me or Kate? I'm not sure if your post was mostly deleted and you posted one word by mistake. If not, it's hard to take any benefit from one word posts, kinda seems a lot like spamming the post chain tbh as I've no idea who you're aiming the post at and there's no response to my original question.

It's not "aimed" at anyone.  It's a response to Kate's comment.  That's "kinda" how post chains work.     Kate's advice is the most relevant on this whole thread.  HTH


so one word confusing responses are "kinda" "how" "the" "post" "chain" "works", "thanks" "for" "that" "concise" "input", watcher: three posts later we've removed any confusion there may have been.  TLA


Confused by one word responses (to other people too)?  Bless

You'll go far.  One tip, though.  If you want to be general counsel, then it helps to spell it correctly. Something I'm sure a lowly paralegal would manage. 


lol anyone who seen that post can see it was written quite quickly.  And spelling mistakes, the last bastion of a failing arguement.  Instead of using the MS Word spell checker I could just hire you as my spell checker.  What you reckon, I could take you on as a spell checker reporting to the paralegal.

rockybalboa  
#23 Posted : 12 April 2018 01:01:02(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

No elaboration on public forum - client confidentiality considerations. Suffice to say that I was misquoted both in well known red top newspaper, and then again in the final judgment. Interpretation of the words OR and AND important.

Lots of relevant case law pertinent to civil legal action.

yes, best not to elaborate on this forum for events that have seen court trial and also been posted in the newspapers, loose lips sink ships and all.  well, best of luck getting a correction in the papers stating they misquoted you. Ill keep an eye out for it to compare the correction to the court transcripts and then the story shall be complete! :)

watcher  
#24 Posted : 12 April 2018 09:25:14(UTC)
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watcher

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: rockybalboa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: watcher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post
... don't be overconfident.


Quite



Is this post aimed at me or Kate? I'm not sure if your post was mostly deleted and you posted one word by mistake. If not, it's hard to take any benefit from one word posts, kinda seems a lot like spamming the post chain tbh as I've no idea who you're aiming the post at and there's no response to my original question.

It's not "aimed" at anyone.  It's a response to Kate's comment.  That's "kinda" how post chains work.     Kate's advice is the most relevant on this whole thread.  HTH


so one word confusing responses are "kinda" "how" "the" "post" "chain" "works", "thanks" "for" "that" "concise" "input", watcher: three posts later we've removed any confusion there may have been.  TLA


Confused by one word responses (to other people too)?  Bless

You'll go far.  One tip, though.  If you want to be general counsel, then it helps to spell it correctly. Something I'm sure a lowly paralegal would manage. 


lol anyone who seen that post can see it was written quite quickly.  And spelling mistakes, the last bastion of a failing arguement.  Instead of using the MS Word spell checker I could just hire you as my spell checker.  What you reckon, I could take you on as a spell checker reporting to the paralegal.

You flatter yourself (no surprise there!).  There is no argument.  You're really not that interesting, or important, despite what you might think of yourself.

You've been given sound advice from Kate, which was met with a rude response.  I know you think you're witty, edgy, clever and super confident.  You don't come across that way though.

Good luck in your new career, whatever that may be.  I'm sure there's someone, somewhere who is looking for someone just like you.

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N Hancock on 17/04/2018(UTC)
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