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OliverWallace  
#1 Posted : 19 November 2018 13:34:00(UTC)
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OliverWallace

Hi,


Does anyone have a weblink that might help me with the above. Specifically in relation to chemical use. For example I am trying to determine the glove type & RPE filter type for use with pure acetone and Butanone. Checked the MSDS and its vague. I would rather something I can use on a consistent basis.

Thanks.

chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 19 November 2018 14:18:32(UTC)
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chris.packham

In asnwer to the glove question in your post, it isn't quite as simple as many think. A great deal depends on how the gloves will be used, for example splash or immersion, duration, dexterity, temperature and other factors will influence which glove and for how long it will provide protection. This is one reason why safety data sheets are not - actually cannot - be more precise. As it happens, for acetone the only gloves that offer class 6 (>480 minutes) protection are butyl, but these are relatively thick and result in limited dexterity. Butyl will provide some limited protection against butanone as does the Silver Shield laminated glove. No other glove material provides more than splash protection - i.e. change glove immediately contact occurs.

Caution with manufacturer's published permeation breakthrough tines. These should now be from testing for permeation to EN ISO 16523-1 but the test is flawed in that it tests at room temperature (23 deg C) rather than skin temperature (32-26 deg C). Depending on glove material and chemical the result of the temperature difference can in some circumstances reduce permeation breakthrough time by as much as 75-80%.

And mixtures can present a special problem. For example a glove providing class 5 (>240 minutes) protection against toluene and MEK individually provided less than class 1(10-30 mins) when the two were mixed 1:1!

As said, it is not always simple.

Chris

chris.packham  
#3 Posted : 19 November 2018 14:22:56(UTC)
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chris.packham

In answer to the glove question in your post, it isn't quite as simple as many think. A great deal depends on how the gloves will be used, for example splash or immersion, duration, dexterity, temperature and other factors will influence which glove and for how long it will provide protection. This is one reason why safety data sheets are not - actually cannot - be more precise. As it happens, for acetone the only gloves that offer class 6 (>480 minutes) protection are butyl, but these are relatively thick and result in limited dexterity. Butyl will provide some limited protection against butanone as does the Silver Shield laminated glove. No other glove material provides more than splash protection - i.e. change glove immediately contact occurs.

Caution with manufacturer's published permeation breakthrough tines. These should now be from testing for permeation to EN ISO 16523-1 but the test is flawed in that it tests at room temperature (23 deg C) rather than skin temperature (32-26 deg C). Depending on glove material and chemical the result of the temperature difference can in some circumstances reduce permeation breakthrough time by as much as 75-80%.

And mixtures can present a special problem. For example a glove providing class 5 (>240 minutes) protection against toluene and MEK individually provided less than class 1(10-30 mins) when the two were mixed 1:1!

As said, it is not always simple.

Chris

OliverWallace  
#4 Posted : 19 November 2018 14:29:27(UTC)
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OliverWallace

Thanks Chris, Is it simply a case of consulting our PPE supplier or do you use some online source for your information?.

chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 19 November 2018 15:16:03(UTC)
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chris.packham

If, as is usual, your PPE supplier is a 'distributor' then my experience is that they rarely understand the complexities and usually work on the basis of the information in the manufacturers' catalogues. This rarely matches what you need for your particular situation. Sometimes I get the feeling that they are more concerned with getting an order and cost is the major consideration. I have actually had discussions with some distributors' salespersons who weren't even aware of permeation but were still advising on gloves!

When considering which glove I always only use the information from the manufacturers and even treat this with some caution depending on who it comes from.

Chris

chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 19 November 2018 15:22:49(UTC)
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chris.packham

Oliver

To answer the one question in your post I only know of one independent source of information. This is 'Protective Gloves for Occupational Use', second edition, Boman, Estlander, Wahlberg and Maibach (eds.), CRC Press, ISBN 0-8493-1558-1. However, since my daughter and I wrote the relevant chapter (18 - Practical Considerations When Selecting and Using Gloves for Chemical Protection in a Workplace) I don't often get it down of the bookshelf, particularly since the book dates from 2005 and I there have been developments since then!

Chris

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 19 November 2018 15:22:59(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

And with RPE it is similar to Chris’s response on gloves. It depends on what you want to use it for.

Is it for short duration, for example dealing with minor spill or are you expecting the person to spend a whole shift exposed to the substance. At what level; at or near to the WEL or is it just a possibility hat the there is an exposure. You should also be asking the question if it is continuous exposure, why can’t you use some form of LEV?

SNS  
#8 Posted : 19 November 2018 19:18:35(UTC)
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SNS

Originally Posted by: chris.packham Go to Quoted Post

Oliver

To answer the one question in your post I only know of one independent source of information. This is 'Protective Gloves for Occupational Use', second edition, Boman, Estlander, Wahlberg and Maibach (eds.), CRC Press, ISBN 0-8493-1558-1. However, since my daughter and I wrote the relevant chapter (18 - Practical Considerations When Selecting and Using Gloves for Chemical Protection in a Workplace) I don't often get it down of the bookshelf, particularly since the book dates from 2005 and I there have been developments since then!

Chris

I have that very publication on my desk :) sadly the binding is breaking down a bit but the information is excellent.

OliverWallace  
#9 Posted : 20 November 2018 10:02:54(UTC)
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OliverWallace

Thanks for all your input.

Kate  
#10 Posted : 21 November 2018 13:20:10(UTC)
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Kate

When I was facing this, our supplier (Arco) put us in touch with the manufacturer (Ansell) who sent a specialist in to do a survey and make recommendations.

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