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GrandMoff  
#1 Posted : 11 September 2019 06:54:03(UTC)
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GrandMoff

Can anyone come up with a reason why a H&S Practicioner would need two Level 6 IOSH accredited qualifacations?

I am currently GradIOSH and working towards Chartership, having gained a first class honours in an IOSH L6 Accredited BSc (Environmental Health & Safety).

I joined a graduate trainee programm which has a significant reduction in salary, for which I was told to complete the NEBOSH National Diploma - also L6. The management in my organisation were unaware that my BSc was IOSH L6 Accredited.

I'm finding this extremely redundant after just finishing my BSc, a NEBOSH Construction cert would have supplemented my knowledge in combination with other specialist training. I have passed my Unit B exam, waiting on Unit C.

Because of this commitment, I am using large amounts of annual leave to revise, I get paid half as much as my peers, never mind the stress, energy and effort involved in the Diploma. In addition, my commitment to the Diploma means that I cannot avail of other specialist training such as Incident Investigtion, DSE Assessor Training, Stress RA training etc.

So my question is.... why on earth would a GradIOSH member working towards chartership need to complete another IOSH L6 Qualifacation??

WatsonD  
#2 Posted : 11 September 2019 08:50:08(UTC)
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WatsonD

Beats me.

I assume you have questioned this with your employer?

Were you aware of this when you took the job on?

It sounds like you should have a honest conversation with your employer. By the looks of things you are already most of the way through your diploma so it is already probably a bit too late in the day to question this now.

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GrandMoff on 08/09/2020(UTC)
Jhonathon  
#3 Posted : 11 September 2019 14:20:02(UTC)
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Jhonathon

I would also question this with your employeer, saying that I had Chartered status backed up with additional trainin Construction Cert etc, however I was asked to undertake the ILM Diploma in Leadership & Managment as my OLD mangment certificates were deemed out of date. I suppose employers all have different takes and standards.

p.s still didnt do me any good as redundancy loomed and I was thrown back into the wolf pack 

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GrandMoff on 08/09/2020(UTC)
Dave5705  
#4 Posted : 12 September 2019 06:28:33(UTC)
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Dave5705

Beats me too.

Your BSc is a much more demanding level 6 qualification than the Nat Dip. If I am reading it right, a BSc gives you about 120 credits, how many taught hours plus home study hours did you put in for that? I'm guessing 300 + 900 so 1200 hrs per year so 3600 hrs! source: University of Hull https://www.hull.ac.uk/study/ug/2019/safety-enviro-mgmt.aspx 

A Dip is around 500 in total. (Don't get confused with levels vs quals, the level is the assessment of depth of understanding, not the breadth of knowledge gained. You could, in theory, get a qualification at level 6 which is only an hour of study if it were specific enough!). 

Your employer obviously doesn't understand this or is trying to get you to work for low pay. You need to have the hard conversation.

regards,

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GrandMoff  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2020 14:29:48(UTC)
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GrandMoff

Thank you all for your replies.

Quick update: I have now successfully passed all 3 National Diploma exams (all first time thankfully) and have submitted my Unit DNI with results expected in November.

I have had no success having conversations with my employer regarding my salary. They have maintained that because I have signed a contract, I am beholden to its conditions and thus the reduced salary.

Had a real kick in the teeth when they employeed one of my BSc classmates last year on the salary grade that I will be moving on to upon completion of the Nat Diploma. Certainly seems that a year outside of my organisation was worth more than my first year with them.

I've learned a hard lesson here, so for any graduates who have went down the acedemic BSc route, please ensure that you know your worth and don't be fooled by any vocational qualifacations in job descriptions. Your Level 6 BSc is the equivalent of a Nebosh Diploma, entitiling you to GradIOSH and to begin working on your Chartership.

Thanks again to all who have offered advice and responded.

peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 09 September 2020 14:14:28(UTC)
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peter gotch

GrandMoff

Sounds like a case of learning a lesson the hard way as you indicate.

So complete your Diploma and decide what you want to do next, taking account of any ongoing clawback provision in your Contract that your employer would perhaps be unwilling to try and invoke should you choose to up sticks and move elsewhere.

Presumably (?) you already have Graduate status in IOSH, so push on with moving up the IOSH ladder!

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GrandMoff on 10/09/2020(UTC)
GrandMoff  
#7 Posted : 10 September 2020 11:44:15(UTC)
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GrandMoff

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

GrandMoff

Sounds like a case of learning a lesson the hard way as you indicate.

So complete your Diploma and decide what you want to do next, taking account of any ongoing clawback provision in your Contract that your employer would perhaps be unwilling to try and invoke should you choose to up sticks and move elsewhere.

Presumably (?) you already have Graduate status in IOSH, so push on with moving up the IOSH ladder!

Thanks Peter. Yes there is certainly a clawback mechanism.  I'm currently GradIOSH, and will remain so following the Diploma until such time as I can complete my Chartership. All being well it won't take too long.

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