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inspector Gadget  
#1 Posted : 16 January 2020 16:00:57(UTC)
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inspector Gadget

I don't know why anyone would recommend anything other than NEBOSH Diploma.

It's the most well known, credible and sought after qualification. It's the real McCoy and everything else is just 2nd best. A pale imitation.

Why have cotton, when you can have silk? 

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 16 January 2020 16:30:25(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Well there is NCRQ Diploma, which a different format but covers most of the same ground. It does not rely on exams but is based on course work, which suits some people.

NVQ is based not so much on learning new stuff but on demonstrating that you have achieved the expected level of competence through work. That suits some people and as it has the same rating in RQF but no formal teaching or exams.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 16 January 2020 17:26:14(UTC)
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Roundtuit

When you look at recruitment adverts it's the General Certificate which gets most listings

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 16 January 2020 18:53:51(UTC)
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peter gotch

Inspector Gadget - do you have one iota of evidence to demonstrate that the NEBOSH Diploma (you don't say which Diploma) is better than any other qualification that is rated as equivalent on the European Qualifications Framework?

It is definitely true that some NEBOSH Diplomas are better than others. They've not been all set at the same level on the EQF.

I'm very lucky. I got sent to Aston Uni to do a Post Graduate Diploma - meant that I never had to learn NEBOSH speak, though occasionally I have had to help those who do speak NEBOSH learn how to translate it into Plain English.

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Dave5705  
#5 Posted : 17 January 2020 06:34:09(UTC)
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Dave5705

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Inspector Gadget - do you have one iota of evidence to demonstrate that the NEBOSH Diploma (you don't say which Diploma) is better than any other qualification that is rated as equivalent on the European Qualifications Framework?

It is definitely true that some NEBOSH Diplomas are better than others. They've not been all set at the same level on the EQF.

I'm very lucky. I got sent to Aston Uni to do a Post Graduate Diploma - meant that I never had to learn NEBOSH speak, though occasionally I have had to help those who do speak NEBOSH learn how to translate it into Plain English.

Agreed Peter. I have courted opinion from a few senior (in experience, not years!) practitioners like yourself, not least a previous chair of professional standards at IOSH, and they have expressed an unfavourable view of Nebosh methodology, at least how it used to be. I believe now the courses are changing with more focus on tasks and application rather than legislation. I am doing a PGDip and hear the same opinions bounded around there too, mainly to make H&S more accessible. 
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Dazzling Puddock on 21/02/2020(UTC)
George_Young  
#6 Posted : 17 January 2020 09:24:27(UTC)
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George_Young

Each course has its own merits, rewards and weaknesses. I too would be interested in your evidence for this statement.

ttxela  
#7 Posted : 17 January 2020 09:29:05(UTC)
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ttxela

Originally Posted by: inspector Gadget Go to Quoted Post

I don't know why anyone would recommend anything other than NEBOSH Diploma.

It's the most well known, credible and sought after qualification. It's the real McCoy and everything else is just 2nd best. A pale imitation.

Why have cotton, when you can have silk? 

Well I certainly admire your enthusiasm, I don't think I've ever heard such zealous commitment to a teaching format! 

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A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 17 January 2020 10:01:00(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

One of the funny things about NEBOSH is that they spend so much time explaining the law and then they get it wrong eg criminal law =statute law and civil law = common law and other gross over simplifications

Their approach to statutory interpretation leaves a lot to be desired as well.

 

My favourite bit of NEBOSH speak is a past question which asks “Your company is going to buy an existing property in town. How do you go about it?”

The examiners comments was that this question was “very poorly answered”. This was probably because most people wrote something along the lines:” We will get chartered surveyor in to have a look at it”. Others talked about asbestos and asked about asbestos files etc. The state of the services in the building were also looked at but none of this was “NEBOSH right”. What we should have done as H&S professionals was to look at the fabric of the building and identify things like weeds growing in the gutters and evidence of subsidence, decide if the building was safe to use.

This was a few years ago but I can imagine better approaches than this to learning.

 

Clark34486  
#9 Posted : 17 January 2020 10:36:23(UTC)
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Clark34486

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

One of the funny things about NEBOSH is that they spend so much time explaining the law and then they get it wrong eg criminal law =statute law and civil law = common law and other gross over simplifications

Their approach to statutory interpretation leaves a lot to be desired as well.

 

My favourite bit of NEBOSH speak is a past question which asks “Your company is going to buy an existing property in town. How do you go about it?”

The examiners comments was that this question was “very poorly answered”. This was probably because most people wrote something along the lines:” We will get chartered surveyor in to have a look at it”. Others talked about asbestos and asked about asbestos files etc. The state of the services in the building were also looked at but none of this was “NEBOSH right”. What we should have done as H&S professionals was to look at the fabric of the building and identify things like weeds growing in the gutters and evidence of subsidence, decide if the building was safe to use.

This was a few years ago but I can imagine better approaches than this to learning.

 

NEBOSH is rather 'nuts', the point you make is clearly that of many of us. The questions they ask, and the way they ask them can have so many permutations, all of which are often apt for the question  they ask.

NEBOSH should roundly be be described as cantankerous

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lorna  
#10 Posted : 22 January 2020 13:28:07(UTC)
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lorna

This old chestnut - again. There are many routes & you pick the one that suits your needs, whether that's the sector you're working in, price, lifestyle or learning style. One size does not fit all.

I have what IOSH refer to as a cognate degree plus a handful of postgrad qualifications & about 20 years of CPD and I still get automatically rejected because I don't have a Level 3 NEBOSH Certificate. It's time that agencies & employers realised that there are other options.

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A Kurdziel on 22/01/2020(UTC)
WatsonD  
#11 Posted : 22 January 2020 15:23:48(UTC)
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WatsonD

Plenty of posters on here - who should know better, are once again happily feeding the trolls.

A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 22 January 2020 16:01:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I don’t think they are a troll, just overenthusiastic!  

peter gotch  
#13 Posted : 26 January 2020 11:28:28(UTC)
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peter gotch

Not sure, but Inspector Gadget hasn't told us whether they have done the NEBOSH Diploma (nor what type of NEBOSH Diploma) or any other type of H&S professional qualification.

So, we are in the dark as to whether IG is a troll.

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