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A Kurdziel  
#41 Posted : 23 March 2020 09:13:21(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Last week I received a message on another forum, asking for organisations that work with DNA/RNA to contact them to see if they can make their capabilities available for Covid-19 testing. That is all well and good but I am concerned that while these organisations, might be capable of doing the testing they might not have the knowledge and understanding to ensure the safety of  people working with the virus. For example a lab that specialises in forensic DNA testing won’t necessarily understand the safety implications of working with a virus. As someone has just motioned there not that many H&S people with a background in virology.

During the SARs (a different type of coronavirus) outbreak in November 2002- July 2003, a cluster of cases in Beijing was traced back to a testing lab where corners were being cut. The cluster included at least one death.

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RVThompson on 23/03/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC)
nic168  
#42 Posted : 23 March 2020 10:34:06(UTC)
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nic168

 Not sure if this is the best place to post this-

just been notified that there is a fake Corona Virus make purporting to be from Johns Hospkins University. It is a malware delivery system linked to AZORult Trojan virus.  This was passed to our IT team by South west Warning Advice and Reporting Point  (WASP) so probabaly geniuine.

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC), GeeTee on 24/03/2020(UTC)
maryam_haider  
#43 Posted : 23 March 2020 10:55:21(UTC)
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maryam_haider

Thanks for starting this thread, its the elephant in every room right now!

I am trying to do my job from home but wonder how long i will have a job to do. Also trying to manage the kids and making sure they have some sort of learning activites through the day. What I have learned very quickly is having a structure to the day works well for my sanity and the rest of the household. I wake up at the same time as before and go to work in the spare bedroom. Kids are going to be encouraged to have learning activites throughout the day and meal times will be the same as in a normal day. Interacting frequently with work collegues and family/friends is vital. We are all in this together and together we can defeat it!

There will be lots of changes as a result of this pandemic in the world, some of which i think are:

more focus on emergency response planning

mental health and wellbieng

home/flexible working (maybe we should all push for a four day working week, or flexible working such as working on weekends and taking a day off during the week)

an appreciation of what we have - take nothing for granted

environmental responsability

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC)
Melrose80086  
#44 Posted : 23 March 2020 11:20:06(UTC)
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Melrose80086

First day working from home with partner and 10 yr old daughter. 

So far I've written out a daily plan (for her). Listened to her reading and checked she's completed her writing task. She's now onto planning a Powerpoint on the Romans [did you know that Julius Caesar was married 3 times - something I never knew before today] and overseen physical exercise [star jumps and touch toes etc].

Workwise I've completed the first module of e-learning package to check links are working / it's not rubbish and got 100% in the final exam.

OH has done a conference call with his work colleagues and managed to get bread and rolls for making family lunch - he said the local Aldi even had loo roll - though we've got a 24 pack so should be ok for the rest of the week.

And we haven't murdered each other yet lol!!

Anyone else think Boris Johnson is totally out of his depth? Instead of sending clear messages, it's 'waffle, waffle..please stay in...unless you need to go out of course...waffle...work from home...unless you can't...waffle waffle [scratch head...smile sheepishly at camera]..waffle...we'll get this done...walk off'

Say what you like about Nicola Sturgeon (First Minister) and SNP policies - she's at least coming over as taking this seriously and sounds like the leader of a country instead of someone reading the bingo numbers. 

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#45 Posted : 23 March 2020 11:30:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have just checked my daughter’s handwriting practice. Don’t like her e’s but this is down to the template she is using, which seems designed to encourage, a scrawl rather than clear writing; perhaps this is the governments way of encouraging more people to become doctors!

Being a good boy I kept all of my work documents etc on various shared drives and I now, as I’m WFH, I only have limited access to these. Spending far too much time trying to find back ways to the originals docs.

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC)
RayRapp  
#46 Posted : 23 March 2020 11:34:38(UTC)
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RayRapp

Nice post by maryam, I agree we might see things in a different light when we come out of this...whatever it is.

We could learn how to do a lot of things better - including emergency response planning! Sadly I think for many it will be the harsh realities of a world wide recession lasting a very long time. My wife and I are retired, thank God.

Melrose, I agree Boris is a waffler. That said, there have been many great leaders who have no been great orators. Trump maybe in the camp. I am reluctant at this stage to belame Boris and the governmnent response. All this Covi-19 business has been forced upon them. It's so easy to criticise...we will see.    

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CptBeaky  
#47 Posted : 23 March 2020 12:11:43(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Waffle or not (And I am certianly not a Boris fan) it is more relevant to me that they are following the scientific advice. Currently it seems they are, but until this passes and we have an enquiry we shan't know that.

The best you can do is follow expert advice, then it only needs to be seen that the experts were right. I don't want the Trump tactics of going on gut feelings. That approach has lead to a lot of disasterous policies throughout history.

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC), nic168 on 25/03/2020(UTC)
Clark34486  
#48 Posted : 23 March 2020 12:57:51(UTC)
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Clark34486

I'm hoping my following is taken in the way in which I mean it to be, I have thoroughly enjoyed the challenge of operating as a H&S practitioner in these challenging times. I've enjoyed having the problems and challenges posed to myself and my team and them having to provide practical solutions.

From a personal perspective I am concerned though, I have three kids 21, 16 & 13, they simple do not understand the brevity of the situation, I feel that in their minds this is an exciting historical event that they are experiencing but which will ultimately not affect them hugely.

I've struggled to explain to my parents how imptortant it is that completely isolate (mother has respiratory issues and stepfather has early COPD with underlying asthma), they have promised to do so but I simply do not believe they will and certinly not for 12 weeks as a minimum.

This is not a game

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC), silberfee on 23/03/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#49 Posted : 23 March 2020 14:31:50(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Monday 23rd March and the UK Covid19 death toll currently stands at 244 with 5000 confirmed cases, Social Distancing, which basically means keeping 2 metres apart, seems to be failing in some places.  Meanwhile, Italy remains the hot zone at the moment and appears to be 2 weeks in advance of the UK as far as the virus is concerned.  651 deaths in the last 24 hours.  

Spain is the next highest death rate in Europe with 462 deaths this last 24 hours.  India is on lock down, with 1 Billion people told to stay home.  Across all of the European continent another 1 billion people have been told to stay home.  Each country is handling isolation differently, some better than others.

On a personal note, I went shopping today for some of my weekly food, my local Tesco’s had mostly full shelves again, although no eggs or potatoes again, fortunately I have a little spare at home, but I’m shopping for 2. 

My work in construction seems to be on hold as no contracts are being sought, so no work for me.  Another concern of mine is my professional development, as I was meant to have started my CPCS red card to blue card testing, but this has all been put on hold as there are no jobs to do the test on.  There have been no contracts for me over this last 6 months.  Being self-employed and getting work from an agency (ANR Specialists Ltd) who specialise in the Crane Industry, UK wide, sucks at the moment.  

My Brother, who I live with works for Network Rail in Newport, he has been re-classed as a type 2 responder!  His contract work continues as he provides pre-planned maintenance for facilities, so Legionella testing, Fire alarms, plus whatever local works required. 

Where I live, in Thornbury, has started to organise a community help group, to cope with the isolation, as half the cul-de-sac is in the ‘concern group’, over 60, with underlying health problems.

I am more aware of people around me, when I'm out.  I simply used to be aware of my personal security, exits, escape points, cameras, trap points, vehicles moving.  Now I have to wonder 'are they a covid carrier'. am I at risk, should I stop breathing as I walk past?  

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maryam_haider on 23/03/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#50 Posted : 23 March 2020 16:28:46(UTC)
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biker1

Well, as with any crisis, this has brought out the best in some people, and the worst in others. Lots of nice reports of hotels being made available to NHS staff and homeless, the private heatlh sector chipping in to provide much needed support to our ailing NHS (which is under-resourced and under-staffed, but then we've been telling the government that for a long time).

On the other hand, witless section of the public who simple ignore pleas to stop stockpiling and practice social distancing. Bring in the army, the sooner the better, as for one thing supermarkest need some protection. Perhaps a soldier with an AK47 might instill some common sense into them

Someone observed to me that in 1914, millions of people were sent to war. In 2020, they are just being told to stay on their sofas. Bit of a difference, but then the millenials don't have the lifetime memories of us old'uns.

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silberfee  
#51 Posted : 23 March 2020 18:11:58(UTC)
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silberfee

I am not a regular on the forum and I popped in for some advice but this thread has really cheared me up, so thank you for the updates.  I have finally realised I cannot carry the risk of our business and our employees on my own after not sleeping for two days! 

We are FMGC and I am sure that everyone thinks that warehouse elves and wizards pick, pack and deliver goods.  Not all of us are like Amazon with automation coming out of their whazoo....

These last two weeks I have become an apparent infection control specialist, Fruit and Veg procurement, crowd control and security when we had a fight on site when allegedly someone brothers cousin had an issue with a team members trolley in Aldi.  I kid you not!

There have been times when I have been in my element getting to all the things I love about the role I am fortunate to have but there have been times where I have thought it’s not worth the hassle. 

Keep up with the updates they are great to read and keeping me slightly more sane.

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Kim Hedges on 23/03/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#52 Posted : 23 March 2020 22:16:15(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

The news tonight at 8.30 pm, our Prime Minister has finally ordered a lock down of the country. 

The actual act of Parliament was read to the House of Commons at about 4.30 pm, onto second reading and so sent to the Lords.

They say there are no atheists in a battle, so with that in mind, God save us and please hurry up with the science.

   

Clark34486  
#53 Posted : 24 March 2020 08:31:39(UTC)
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Clark34486

Originally Posted by: biker1 Go to Quoted Post

Well, as with any crisis, this has brought out the best in some people, and the worst in others. Lots of nice reports of hotels being made available to NHS staff and homeless, the private heatlh sector chipping in to provide much needed support to our ailing NHS (which is under-resourced and under-staffed, but then we've been telling the government that for a long time).

On the other hand, witless section of the public who simple ignore pleas to stop stockpiling and practice social distancing. Bring in the army, the sooner the better, as for one thing supermarkest need some protection. Perhaps a soldier with an AK47 might instill some common sense into them

Someone observed to me that in 1914, millions of people were sent to war. In 2020, they are just being told to stay on their sofas. Bit of a difference, but then the millenials don't have the lifetime memories of us old'uns.

AK47? in the UK.......

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
AshfaqPk  
#54 Posted : 24 March 2020 08:54:32(UTC)
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AshfaqPk

Professionals 

Waht type of preventive measures need to take while handling the papers from delievry vans, or money from customers or receiving the products from home delievery company e,g. AMAZON or food delievery etc. 

If some one develop any guideline please share with us. 

Regards 

M. Ashfaq 

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#55 Posted : 24 March 2020 09:10:21(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

So the plan is to bring in the army with some form of modern assault rifle and then shoot people until the virus goes away? Not sure about that but if you shoot enough people I supposed the crisis go away.

The thing is that the whole thing has not been really thought through. As Health and Safety professionals we know that people sometimes do things stupid things which from others’ point of view don’t make sense but if you put yourself in their shoes they might make sense –see the thread about human error/behaviour.

In the case of stockpiling, the issue is that people don’t understand how a rationing system works. In the War, people we registered to a particular shop or set of shops and they could only shop at that shop or shops. What we have been seeing is people with access to a car and time to spare driving around looking for stuff to buy. This is of course grossly unfair to those without the time etc to follow suit. At one time the government maintained units in each region whose job was to monitor this sort of thing, and work with the supply chain. These units were disbanded during the Coalition years as an austerity measure.

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nickstone  
#56 Posted : 24 March 2020 10:00:11(UTC)
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nickstone

Hi All

Is this right thread, what aobut soical distacning on production lines, have clean rooms and access is well controlled. now panic about social distancing in the work place, canteens, breaks all staggered, rooms are small with 6 people in each but small lines with intircate work. Don't to go to extra shifts but feel if we need to enforce this it will be. 

Understand the fear is there, but lots of other worse things still out there. 

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#57 Posted : 24 March 2020 10:05:36(UTC)
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chris.packham

Re deliveries at home.

PHE has stated that there should be no problem handling post, parcels etc.

I have a delivery planned for home this afternoon. I have just received a note from the delivery company that they are practising no contact approach. They will ring the door bell, place the parcel on the door step and ask you to should your name. They will enter this into their system and depart. Sounds a sensible approach to me.

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
GeeTee  
#58 Posted : 24 March 2020 10:23:43(UTC)
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GeeTee

Hong Kong have started the recovery, China are going abck to 70% manning now. 

However I did read yesterday that they have found new cases being imported back into the country hope not but keep your fingers crossed.

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#59 Posted : 24 March 2020 11:33:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The problem is that there is no immunity to the virus in the general community. Only a small number of people have been infected (remember China’s population is 1.2 Billion) and all it takes is one infected person to start the cycle again. People talk about the vaccine but in practical terms it is 2 years away, from being widely available.  There are drugs that seem to be effective against this virus and they could try to spot outbreaks quickly and blitz them with drugs but the problem is that Covid 19 is still essentially a cold and it is possible to miss the symptoms, which is why it has spread so far. An easy test would-be helpful as the current test requires specialist labs, which is what the medical profession is looking for.

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#60 Posted : 24 March 2020 13:09:37(UTC)
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biker1

Looking at pictures of the first day of lockdown, it seems to me that many areas of the country are complying (an empty M1, deserted city centres), but in London it just looks like business as usual, with overcrowded tube trains. Duhh! There must be an awful lot of key workers in London, more than the rest of the country put together, or they are taking the rip. Reducing the services doesn't look like such a good idea now - didn't think that one through, did you guys? Now of course they've probably not got enough drivers. I can well understand the fury of the drivers still working.

If they are banning assemblies of more than two people, how are they going to tackle the long queues outside the supermarkets at 6 every morning? If that's not an assembly, I don't know what is. Social distancing in those circumstances is going to block off the whole of town.

Reports of disgusting behaviour at a town supermarket not far from me, with skirmishes and elderly people being barged out of the way - what is wrong with these people? A break in at a hospital when several Oxygen cylinders were stolen. Doesn't this constitute looting? Looters used to be shot, yet another reason to get in the army. Talking of looting, I can see this happening - the deserted town centres will be just too tempting for some people, although I suppose there's not much of a market for fashion clothing at the moment

Arguable as to which is going to kill us off first, the virus or starvation.

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#61 Posted : 24 March 2020 13:16:59(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have heard on another forum that in London people travelling into work have been challenged by the police to demonstrate that that they are critical workers and need to be travelling.

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
GeeTee  
#62 Posted : 24 March 2020 13:50:51(UTC)
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GeeTee

I work in the fare collection (Oyster and payment card vendors) and passenger information sector which in one hand is essential to keep the country moving but is there anyone on here in the same sector and what have you told field engineers?

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
OliverWallace  
#63 Posted : 24 March 2020 15:00:59(UTC)
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OliverWallace

The list is here. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874732/230320_-_Revised_guidance_note_-_finalVF.pdf

Nothing stating Production, manufacturing, construction need to close. People misunderstand the term "essential".

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#64 Posted : 24 March 2020 16:19:44(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The country is closing for business; it is what it is but perhaps we can start thinking about how we are going to reopen in how ever many weeks. In many places it won’t simply be a case of turning up and turning the lights back on. Will you need to retest your systems to make sure that they work and are safe to use. How long will it take to get up and running again and what pressure might you be under to “hit the ground running” and therefore to cut corners? Many organisations will have severe cash flow issues will need to start to make income quickly but there will be restart costs. Somebody has mentioned flushing out and disinfecting the entire water system in case of. Legionella. That won’t be cheap.

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chris42  
#65 Posted : 24 March 2020 16:20:04(UTC)
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chris42

We have just been told by a well-known insurance organisation that carry out our PUWER & LOLER examinations that they will not be coming out.

Manager that got this asked what should he do? I have said continue as we should be identifying any equipment with problems ourselves. If they will not come out then there is nothing we can do, others will be in the same boat. We are considered to be in the essential category of work.

Chris

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#66 Posted : 24 March 2020 20:43:31(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
Somebody has mentioned flushing out and disinfecting the entire water system in case of Legionella.

Can the last one out please ensure the water systems are drained, compressors switched off and receivers emptied and finally switch off the mains isolator and padlock it shut before leaving the step by step list of what you did by the door before exiting.

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Kim Hedges on 24/03/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#67 Posted : 24 March 2020 22:13:40(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

I’m still here on Tuesday night, 24th March, at home.  I made a point on waking up, not to go online for a change and then I watched the BBC news channel 601 with my breakfast, I’m not able to work at the moment, no contracts to take, and nobody wants a CIS self-employed Slinger at the moment, so up at the crack of 9.45 am.   The TV warms up from its standby position and splutters into life, I know the feeling, the screen clears and I can make out it’s the weather report.  Oh nice, good weather, not much said for the wind speeds, funny but true, since becoming a Slinger wind speeds rule my working day, too windy and I can’t work, too wet and I can’t work.  The news starts.

It was a lovely spring day today for me, in any previous year it would be a day just right.  During the day I washed the hand towels, cleaned some door handles and swept my front porch of the debris that collects, cobwebs etc.  I wondered about mowing the lawn and I just let that thought disappear until tomorrow.  I thought about my Brother at work, Tuesday, yeah he does a trip down to Port Talbot every week from Newport for maintenance duties, it’s usually a long boring drive with idiot drivers, I think rather him than me, I’ve stopped worrying about driving since I gave up being a truck driver 4 years ago, bloody horrible job, long hours, often lousy pay and job insecurities, glad I retrained as a Slinger.   Then it crosses my mind, I haven’t worked and been paid for working for 6 months, thank heavens for my savings, I’ll soon get work and then I can refill my savings account, it never really sunk in that being CIS self-employed meant you can’t claim on anything from the Government, you just pay your 20 % in tax.

It was a lovely spring day today for me, the news comes on and I’m listening to Matt Hancock the Health and Care Minister and he’s telling me, 87 people have died overnight.  I continue to watch until the end of the news package, it’s like being in a car accident and I learn of the people in Italy, 743 people have died there in the last 24 hours.

It was a lovely day today for me and then I think of those people who died and their families.  

I wonder if I’ll catch it.

biker1  
#68 Posted : 25 March 2020 10:32:23(UTC)
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biker1

Well, I guess people like Netflix will be doing a roaring trade, although films like Contagion and 28 Days Later might not be too popular. Duffy says she will release a song to lift our spirits, although it won't do much for me, as I think she has the most annoying voice I've ever heard. Boris says he will review the lockdown in three weeks to see if it can be relaxed, but I think that might be somewhat optimistic, depends on how many people decide to hold mass barbeques or fill commuter trains. I had a moment of excitement yesterday when I discoverd our local Tesco had some bread for the first time in two weeks; guess that will be the highlight of the week. Kimberly Clark published pictures of their considerable loo roll stock; I suggest they put in a click and collect system so we don't have to keep depressing ourselves scouring the supermarket shelves. Took the opportunity for my permitted one exercise outing on the trike; I could get used to the quiet roads and deserted streets. The reports on Donald Trump's gaffs continue to provide some entertainment.

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A Kurdziel  
#69 Posted : 25 March 2020 11:07:50(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have just listen to the news on the radio:

  • Nearly quarter of a million people have volunteered to help out the NHS. Very good positive news.
  • The Unions representing people working in the NHS are getting angry because there is not enough suitable PPE available be for them. Not a good news story. Don’t they keep strategic stockpiles of the stuff or have to rid of them as part of the “leaning” process?
  • Then a minster, I think it was Hancock, explains that this is an unprecedented scenario and that it is a new virus. I had to leave the room because of the smell of BS.  Firstly a pandemic is one of the scenarios that, the Civil Contingences Secretariat has been planning for since it has been set up. It was almost certainly going to be caused by a respiratory infection that started in the Far East.  The money was on a new strain of flu virus but it was a new strain of coronavirus. That of course is not, not unprecedented as SARs was also a coronavirus. Whatever the actual strain of virus the measures to be applied and the in particular the types of PPE that needs to be available are the same.

But then we have someone with a degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics in charge so what do we expect.

Rant over.

New one will be around tomorrow.

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Xavier123  
#70 Posted : 25 March 2020 11:53:13(UTC)
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Xavier123

Re: legionella.

If your workplace can avoid stagnating water in domestic hot/cold systems then please do. Disinfection upon restart is not foolproof and an established biofilm will resist it. It's going to be virtually impossible for some larger buildings to prevent stagnation even if they have the manpower to instigate flushing regimes but if the opportunity is available then don't dismiss it!

NB. Time to start a short term disinfection company cause demand is going to massively outstrip supply in a few weeks/months time.

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Kim Hedges on 25/03/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#71 Posted : 25 March 2020 18:45:56(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Numbers are better today, 22, but Prince Charles is a confirmed case.  On a personal note, I was out trying to order medicines today, went into my local health centre, a much older feeble man followed me, I started filling out the repeat prescription form as usual.  Then I see a notice, it's not easy to understand what 'they' are asking, I manage to queery it on reception, 'we want you to email us repeat prescriptions, oh I say'.  Just about to leave, when I say to the receptionist, excuse me, may I offer an observation?  The lady says yes.  'Could you put that sign outside, because both me and this elderly gentleman have both come into your reception, this would have been easier outside'.   Oh she says, that's an excellent observation, we'll do that, thank you!

I then went to try and buy some hand sanitizer at the shops, nothing.  So i'm queuing up to pay and leave, and say in passing to the lad standing 2 metres away, I must appear a rogue just buying 4 tins of lager, but I came in for sanitiser spray, 'oh' he says, 'no, I think you've got the essentials'.  So I'm putting my tins in the car and a man calls out from behind me, I turn around, it the same man from the shop.  'Here he says have this works sanitiser', I thank him and go home directly. 

2 things, both positives.   (I have a degree in systems analysis).

 

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Roundtuit  
#72 Posted : 25 March 2020 19:29:00(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You will be pleased to know HM Gov now consider off-licences "essential shops" - next challenge is to find one that is open.

Thing is - getting in to the new philosophy of stock piling control - is a four/six pack one item?

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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#73 Posted : 25 March 2020 19:32:07(UTC)
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biker1

It can't be a coincidence that the day after the schools closed, the alcohol shelves at the supermarket were cleared.

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RVThompson  
#74 Posted : 26 March 2020 08:07:29(UTC)
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RVThompson

Personally, I believe the debate about whether a four/six pack counts as one purchase is one best left to the philosophers, however a wine box of 2.5/3 litres is definately a single purchase.

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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#75 Posted : 26 March 2020 09:18:48(UTC)
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It really doesn't matter to me whether it is one item or more. It is more about being able to access on-line purchasing.

I am 80. my wife 75 with severe health issues placing her at extreme risk. Our daughter has a mother-in-law who lives with her and is over 80, also with health problems. She also has two young daughters, one of whom has been hospitalised more than once and suffers from viral asthma. She has been working from home for some time, so not visit to shops to minimise the potential of infecting vulnerable people.

She lives three miles from us and has been purchasing on-line from a well known supermarket for a long time. She has been purchasing on behalf of her mother-in-law and for use as well, reasoning that a single delivery which she then distributes makes sense for the store.

She is now told that she cannot qualify for on-line shopping as she is fit and can visit the supermarket to shop for us all, potentiall becoming exposed and infected and bring this back into two vulnerable groups.

Makes sense????

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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
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#76 Posted : 26 March 2020 10:15:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biker1 Go to Quoted Post

It can't be a coincidence that the day after the schools closed, the alcohol shelves at the supermarket were cleared.

Are suggesting the kids are now drinking at home?

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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#77 Posted : 26 March 2020 10:37:38(UTC)
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Ray - could it be that the parents are drinking at home in order to retain their sanity?

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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#78 Posted : 26 March 2020 10:54:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chris.packham Go to Quoted Post

Ray - could it be that the parents are drinking at home in order to retain their sanity?

Yep. I predict an upsurge in prescription requests for Valium. With self-isolation, 'go to your room' takes on a new meaning. We now have to queue outside the pharmacy to get our prescriptions. A patio heater and some chairs wouldn't go amiss before we all come down with hypothermia. Supermarkets are now apparently starting to restric access if there are people already in there, so we can queue outside instead. Trump is fixated on going back to business as usual, despite the rapidly rising infection rate and deaths; I said from the start that not only have they elected an idiot for president, but a dangerous idiot.
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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
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#79 Posted : 26 March 2020 11:36:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Our media has risen too its normal low standards in the coverage of the outbreak. A lot of the reporting gives the impression that the point of social distancing is to protect yourself from the virus. It isn’t. For most people the virus is low risk illness no worse that the flu (which kills 8000 people every year in this country). The aim of social distancing to is prevent the spread of the virus and in particular to stop it infecting vulnerable people. If all of the vulnerable people were to become ill then the NHS would simply collapse under the pressure.

People are become paranoid about infecting which explains why we have run out of sanitiser and face mask as people who don’t need them have gone out and bought them leaving those that require them short. The worried well are a real issue but the longer this lasts the worse that problem will become. It will be a mental health issue as much as a virus issue. People will feel isolated and once their money runs out under severe mental stress. Many are being told to apply of benefits but the benefit system is designed to stop people claiming. This was Ian Duncan Smith’s strategy when he was Secretary of State for Work and Pensions and introduced Universal Credit: force people back to work; any work. Now of course a lot of those jobs especially the low pay jobs have dried up. God knows what it will be like when all this clears up but there will be changes to the way society works, and different groups interact with each other.

 

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RVThompson  
#80 Posted : 26 March 2020 12:17:31(UTC)
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Despite my early morning spell of optimism, I too dread the future and inevitable burdens on society.

It is likely the younger generation will suffer the most and be left to pick up the pieces.

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Kim Hedges on 27/03/2020(UTC)
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