Why do I do this to myself? Especially when you fail to acknowledge the figures given are provably false.

HCQ was not tested, and intial tests did not look positive (it actually increased the risk with patients with heart problems). Instead the relatively cheap dexamethasone was suggested (£60 for 12 treatments). So the low cost had nothing to do with the decision. Was the timings political, maybe, but I have no proof of that.

10 years is the existing maximum term for fraud with intention to benefit from that fraud. This is not new legislation, it is current legislation. Whether this legislation covers COVID quarantine will be tested in court. However, I very much doubt anyone will ever get 10 years.

Tanzania stop reporting cases in May 2020, so your numbers mean nothing. We know they are false since in May over 100 lorry drivers tested positive on the border and were sent back, yet May figures for Tanzania come in at 29 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/tanzania/ Zambia's Nakonde district, which is just south of the border with Tanzania, has experienced by far the most cases in the country, higher than the country's capital, Lusaka. Is this just a coincidence? Basically we have no way of knowing how bad the outbreak is in Tanzania, therefore we cannot risk travel there. If Tanzania released the figures, and allowed independent observers into the country this may change.

As always this information is very easy to find, and yet somehow you missed it. I know I keep feeding you, but I worry your lies may actually convince someone. Delibrate and willful mis-information that could lead to harm needs to be made a criminal offence. At first I thought you were just mis-informed, but now you continue with the same lies despite being shown that they are lies. This shows you are not genuine.

How many 'normal' respiratory deaths are being labelled 'Covid deaths' because the patient just happened to 'test positive' for it?

Because that is where the evidence leads. I have linked twice to the figures, but you still refuse to even acknowledge them. Unless coroners around the world are all colluding, along with the virologists etc. then we know how many people have died with COVID as the underlying cause (i.e the cause of the chain reaction that lead to that person's death). As I have shown twice, this number is higher than the official number. This means that more people are dying beacuase of COVID-19 than the governments official number, not less. Yes the government is publishing misleading figures, but it is not in the direction you believe.

I have also shown evidence the Tanzania is not reporting cases. They reported 29 cases in May 2020, despite over 100 lorry drivers being turned around at the border for testing positive. They have not reported a single positive case since, despite the cities bordering the country having record high levels. They are telling people how to make health smoothies "ginger, onions, lemons and pepper" to stop them catching COVID, rather than accept "white man" vaccinations. Recently two Danish people tested positive after returning from Tazania, despite it aparantly being "free of COVID".

Are you really suggesting that our government is somehow worse than the Tanzanian one?

Perhaps worth noting that the article in the Guardian article was written not by a Guardian staffer but as an opinion piece from someone from Africa.

It's time for Africa to rein in Tanzania's anti-vaxxer president | Global development | The Guardian

I haven't checked whether the author has any links with "BIG PHARMA". Read the article on the basis of reasoned opinion.

Originally Posted by: John Murray

Kurd mate...don’t need no steenkin vaxeen in Tanzania, they got God and ‘natural medicines’. And no covid (mild outbreak of acute pneumonia cases, which usually die). Nothing to see:Move-on!

I'm not entirely sure what you are insinuating here about Tanzanians, people of faith and those who believe in the benefits of naturopathy...

And I'll just remind you that many pharmaceutical treatments were derived from natural medicines; the reason beneficial natural compounds are isolated and reproduced synthetically is so Big Pharma can patent their product ('nature' can't be patented) and profit from it until the patent expires and the product becomes generic.

I think it's reached the stage where I am not sure what the big conspiracy is any more. Is it Big Pharma, the government, China, Bill Gates, AI, the Great Reset? Or they all suposed to be in it together? If so, perhaps they should all get the Nobel Prize for international co-operation.

Have we had some inaccurate data on COVID? Most likely, it depends on how the data was sourced, delays in data coming through, criteria adopted, and so on.

Does this negate the seriousness of the pandemic? Not at all. The figures, and personal experiences of infection, should leave us in no doubt that something serious has been happening for the last year.

Have some organisations benefitted from the pandemic? Almost certainly - some people will always do well out of a crisis. Conversely, significant sectors of the economy have been hard hit by it, and some may never recover.

Have inaccuracies and even lies been told? Oh yes, look no further than Donald Trump, for instance.

Have the media hyped up things? Probably, that's what the media does to attact attention and sell newspapers.

Does this mean we are all being fed a string of rubbish about the pandemic? No, there are enough sources of information we can have trust in that tell us that a serious pandemic has hit the world.

Has our government, for one, acted competently  and proportionately during all of this? Don't make me laugh, when have you ever known that to happen? As for proportionality, the errors have largely been on the side of a weak response in controlling the spread of the virus. Those who value their freedom above all else might disagree, but most of us can see the truth of this.

Is the conspiracy really about conspiracy theorists trying to misinform and control us? Interesting question.

Originally Posted by: biker1

I think it's reached the stage where I am not sure what the big conspiracy is any more. Is it Big Pharma, the government, China, Bill Gates, AI, the Great Reset? Or they all suposed to be in it together? If so, perhaps they should all get the Nobel Prize for international co-operation.

Have we had some inaccurate data on COVID? Most likely, it depends on how the data was sourced, delays in data coming through, criteria adopted, and so on.

Does this negate the seriousness of the pandemic? Not at all. The figures, and personal experiences of infection, should leave us in no doubt that something serious has been happening for the last year.

Have some organisations benefitted from the pandemic? Almost certainly - some people will always do well out of a crisis. Conversely, significant sectors of the economy have been hard hit by it, and some may never recover.

Have inaccuracies and even lies been told? Oh yes, look no further than Donald Trump, for instance.

Have the media hyped up things? Probably, that's what the media does to attact attention and sell newspapers.

Does this mean we are all being fed a string of rubbish about the pandemic? No, there are enough sources of information we can have trust in that tell us that a serious pandemic has hit the world.

Has our government, for one, acted competently  and proportionately during all of this? Don't make me laugh, when have you ever known that to happen? As for proportionality, the errors have largely been on the side of a weak response in controlling the spread of the virus. Those who value their freedom above all else might disagree, but most of us can see the truth of this.

Is the conspiracy really about conspiracy theorists trying to misinform and control us? Interesting question.

I’ll go with ‘all in it together’, but would just like to say it’s the ‘Chinese Communist Party’ not ‘China’ per se, and you missed out the Central Banks, the Deep State and the Deep Church.

The MSM has always pushed the 'Orange Man Bad' line, as they are Deep State controlled and the Deep State wants rid of Trump because he won’t play their game (2016 Russian election interference hoax, failed impeachment, etc.). Watch and wait on that one…

How much of what most people 12 months ago would have called 'conspiracy theory' has now become reality?

Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken

I’ll go with ‘all in it together’, but would just like to say it’s the ‘Chinese Communist Party’ not ‘China’ per se, and you missed out the Central Banks, the Deep State and the Deep Church.

The damp and cold must have turned Iron Chicken a bit rusty.  There has been some pretty outragous statements made by the corroded poultry; but trying to say the majority of the worlds governments, global business and media interests are all maaging to cooperate seamlessly together is beyond absurd.  Surely a 'rational thinking' person would never have said that?

Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken

How much of what most people 12 months ago would have called 'conspiracy theory' has now become reality?

Nothing???

As for 'Deep State'; well more like deep something.

Holiday42333 - are you sucking the end of your ringed pinkie? 

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit

Holiday42333 - are you sucking the end of your ringed pinkie? 

I'm afraid I'm just one of those poor deluded souls that allows myself to be manipulated by Big [insert organisation of choice] and now Big IOSH.

Originally Posted by: chris42

Iron Chicken, A question if you don’t mind.

Why are you so keen to get us few people on her to believe you, even if we did so what?

The people that generally frequent this forum either come here once to ask a question or those who’s jobs involve Occupational Health and Safety in some way shape and form, to help others or one another. So, we cannot change anything in particular, especially the Government.

So why care what we think?

Chris

Thank you for your question Chris, you're always welcome to ask whatever you wish.

The words of Edmund Burke sum it up for me: 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.'

If I manage to encourage just one person to question what is happening and see the bigger picture, my efforts have been worthwhile. And who knows who peruses this thread as a 'guest' or without joining the discussion.

When enough people are awake and angry, and refuse to comply with these endless arbitrary, pointless and destructive diktats, governments will lose the power to hold us hostage any longer.

Morally I can't just stand by and watch this continue to the point of global human enslavement and depopulation.

I hope that answers your question.

Iron Chicken

Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken

 

The words of Edmund Burke sum it up for me: 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.'

I take it that there is no evidence that Edmund Burke actually wrote these words doesn't bother you.  You were obviously taken in by the propoganda of John F Kennedy and didn't check the legitimacy of what he said.

Although I concede that the Burke essay that JFK miss-quoted ammounts to much the same sentiment, I would have applied some critical thinking if I were CorrodedPoultry, and not used a manipulated piece of information to illustrate the oppinion.  CorrodedPoultry not following their own advice; who would have thought it??

Originally Posted by: The Iron Chicken

When enough people are awake and angry, and refuse to comply with these endless arbitrary, pointless and destructive diktats, governments will lose the power to hold us hostage any longer.

"Freedom for Tooting IOSH"

(Post fail.  'Tooting' is struck through when I enter it)

Edited by user 12 February 2021 12:06:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Iron Chicken - if, as you suggest, you want to persuade just one user of these Forums, why not come out of the closet and reveal your true identity?

My guess is that most of us (those that haven't simply blocked your postings) just sigh as soon as we see that the rusty bird has ventured here again.

By hiding behind a pseudonym you just give the impression of an angry troll who may or may not also post as SLord80 (even if users are only permitted one persona on these Forums).

I always knew that chickens did not have a massive amount of brain power, but what I would like to know is how an iron one works?

So from around September 2020, why do Covid-19 deaths appear to largely mirror the drop in 'deaths from other causes'?

Have deaths from dementia, heart disease,  cancer, etc. miraculously reduced?

Surely there can't be any mis-categorisation of cause of death going on here, can there?

Most 'infections' are occurring after admission to hospital - so why are communities locked down?

NOTE: the graph is stacked, orange on top of blue

Remind me - who is pushing vaccinations and 'health passports'?