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Roundtuit  
#161 Posted : 15 April 2020 20:43:33(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Kim since you asked the question in this post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-52278877/coronavirus-southampton-team-sanitises-city-centre

Question is are they responsibly applying approved agents in an approved manner sanctioned by the Environment Agency and the local water authority or recklessley endangering the environment and others?

https://echa.europa.eu/documents/10162/28801697/recommended_requirements_chlorine_based_active_substances_en.pdf/f1be8a55-87e4-2ac0-67f4-602c41c3abc1

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Roundtuit  
#162 Posted : 15 April 2020 20:43:33(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Kim since you asked the question in this post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-52278877/coronavirus-southampton-team-sanitises-city-centre

Question is are they responsibly applying approved agents in an approved manner sanctioned by the Environment Agency and the local water authority or recklessley endangering the environment and others?

https://echa.europa.eu/documents/10162/28801697/recommended_requirements_chlorine_based_active_substances_en.pdf/f1be8a55-87e4-2ac0-67f4-602c41c3abc1

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A Kurdziel  
#163 Posted : 16 April 2020 08:13:57(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I am not entirely convinced by this either. Spraying EVERYTHING with disinfectant smacks of “biosafety theatre”: showing the public that you are doing something but not really contributing to the community’s wellbeing. Who licks the floor and street future?

All disinfectants have side effects and they can harm people and wild life. In addition spraying them randomly can encourage resistance in certain microorganisms. Hospitals are plagued by strains of bacteria which normally are not a problem but having developed resistance to common disinfectants are a serious threat to immunocompromised people. We should be careful about this.

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biker1  
#164 Posted : 16 April 2020 10:05:51(UTC)
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I agree that some people are jumping to unjustified conclusions, fuelled no doubt by the media hysteria, like the nurse who had a nasty note left on her windscreen due to driving to the hospital out of uniform, which is what she should be doing.

Well, I've given up looking at the weather forecast - not much point as I won't be going anywhere for another week at least. It was Carole King who sang 'it might as well rain until September'.

Trump is now seizing on the conspiracy theories about China; is there nothing this man won't do to deflect criticism of his own incompetence?

Things  a bit tense on the home front, as we are still looking after our eldest who is a nurse and COVID positive. Divided feelings on this; on the one hand doing all we can to avoid infection, on the other hand wishing we could get it and get it over with.

Odd what you get excited about these days, isn't it? Seeing bread and loo rolls, and even the odd bag of pasta, in the supermarket elicits great excitement. Managed to get a bottle of liquid soap dropped off by the son in law a couple of days ago; haven't seen one of these for weeks. Didn't know whether to use it or frame it.

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Kate  
#165 Posted : 16 April 2020 10:24:41(UTC)
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Kate

Use it or frame it ... In my local area someone has set up an art exhibition in their front garden.  It features satirical paintings of world leaders and lots of other pictures but the main exhibit is a 9-pack of Andrex mounted on a shelf.

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biker1  
#166 Posted : 16 April 2020 11:56:36(UTC)
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The most dangerous job in the world - rear gunner on an Andrex lorry.

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Roundtuit  
#167 Posted : 17 April 2020 10:43:16(UTC)
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Roundtuit

They say the fruit doesn't fall too far from the tree.

Currently reading that the senior Whitehouse advisor (Ivanka Trump) last week travelled from Washington DC (under lockdown) to New Jersey (also under lock down) for a family holiday contrary to instruction from the CDC, state Governor Murphy as well as her own pleas to the American public to stay at home.

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Roundtuit  
#168 Posted : 17 April 2020 10:43:16(UTC)
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Roundtuit

They say the fruit doesn't fall too far from the tree.

Currently reading that the senior Whitehouse advisor (Ivanka Trump) last week travelled from Washington DC (under lockdown) to New Jersey (also under lock down) for a family holiday contrary to instruction from the CDC, state Governor Murphy as well as her own pleas to the American public to stay at home.

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biker1  
#169 Posted : 17 April 2020 12:05:22(UTC)
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A classic case of one rule for one, one rule for everyone else. Predictable arrogance from the Trump family. Doesn't her hubby, the intellectually challenged Jared Kushner, have a key government role? Setting a good example there, isn't he, in line with the appallling example set by his father in law.

Piers Morgan continuing to lay into people; I'm really warming to that man. I see Janet Street-Porter has joined in - she has long been my nomination for PM. At the risk of disloyalty to my sex, I think the Women's Institute would make a far better job of running this country. At least they know how to get things done.

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Kim Hedges  
#170 Posted : 18 April 2020 12:47:00(UTC)
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Kate, thanks, interesting read. 

Roundtuit, yes agreed.  I read that Avon and Somereset Police have recieved over 2000 calls from people about other people wandering the streets. 

Saturday 18/4/20.

This last week has seen a steady level of deaths from Covid19, including another Police officer who became sick a month ago and died in Hospital yesterday, he was only 55 and fit.  My thoughts go out to every family who have been effected.  10 more days and it will be a month of lockdown.  A senior Doctor this week said during the House of Commons virtual meeting (shown on several TV channels live) that there could be over 40,000 deaths in the UK before we get out of this pandemic and that there may be several waves of this virus.  Also, the idea of herd immunity is really a misnomer, everybody has to get it, for a herd immunity, unless a vaccine is produced – so you get a survivable version of the disease.  

The official numbers of confirmed Covid19 deaths from last Monday until today has been, 717, 778, 761, 861 and 847.  This must be weighed with the realization that there have been a further greater number of people who have died in the 2000+ care homes in Britain.  From 2 reported care homes this week has been Liverpool that lost 16 residents and Bristol that lost 13 residents.  Many elderly people have ‘do not resuscitate’ agreements already in place.  Some care homes have an Oxygen supply and so can assist sick residents, providing they have sufficient nursing staff.  Other care homes do not have either Oxygen or Nursing staff.  Some residents go to hospital, many don’t it appears.  Care Home Managers are continueing to struggle in sourcing PPE and the cost of items has risen due to demand.  Ordinary masks were sold at 0.20 pence, but now because stocks have fallen and a global demand has arisen, those same masks are £1.20.

PPE across the world continues to be sought, some small entrepreneurs have started using 3-D printers to make visors / face shields and masks, but these relatively cheap and flimsy garments cannot be reused or sterilized using an autoclave, so the demand will continue.  Meanwhile, there is also a shortage of protective gowns, which (to me) could be improved to allow for autoclave sterilization and thus significantly ease supply and demand within hospitals.  Just to point out, an autoclave is essentially a pressure cooker, there are different varieties but they tend to use steam to low the internal pressure of a container, with the items within that are heated to approximately 130-150 degrees centigrade at near vacuum pressure for about 15 minutes.  The medical supply companies obviously don’t want their customers to stop buying from them and so there is no incentive to change to how medical PPE was sterilized decades ago.  Perhaps, this is one ‘norm’ that should be changed?

Worrying developments reported over the last few days in America, when President Trump has Tweeted comments like Liberate Minnesota, Liberate Michigan and Liberate Virginia.  With further incitement to take up arms under the 2nd amendment to protest about lockdown!

I was astounded when I heard the news and watched the Covidiots on the streets of America.

I’ve typed a few sentences to describe my anger at this development, but have chosen not to publish them here, as it’s not my problem.  I am pleased to report, no zombies yet.

Edited by user 18 April 2020 12:51:27(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

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Kim Hedges  
#171 Posted : 19 April 2020 02:27:57(UTC)
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peter gotch  
#172 Posted : 19 April 2020 14:43:09(UTC)
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Kim

In simple terms, I didn't believe the stats from China before this announcement and still don't.

But then, massaging of the stats is happening in many countries - what varies somewhat is how deliberate the massaging has been. And, if as example, we don't have the right stats for Covid cases in care homes, then it is easier to try and justify making them queue for their turn in the demand for PPE etc.

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics."

A reasonable understanding of statistical analysis should be on the syllabus for any health and safety professional qualification, so that it is less easy for organisations to abuse the data they collect.

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Roundtuit  
#173 Posted : 19 April 2020 20:27:06(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Donald wants the Florida beaches open - what would Chief Brody say? Sadly this 1970's classic is a better indictment of the current situation politics over ruling fact and common sense.
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Roundtuit  
#174 Posted : 19 April 2020 20:27:06(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Donald wants the Florida beaches open - what would Chief Brody say? Sadly this 1970's classic is a better indictment of the current situation politics over ruling fact and common sense.
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biker1  
#175 Posted : 20 April 2020 09:47:17(UTC)
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biker1

I too was absolutely amazed at the mass protests in the USA over lockdown. People standing shoulder to shoulder complaining about their 'civil rights' when thousands of their compatriots are dying. One silly woman even had a poster saying 'live free or die'. Well, girl, you won't have to choose soon. What is wrong with these people? Are they complete idiots, or is it a case of nothing must get in the way of the great American dream of making money, just like their leader? Trump could have stopped the protests, but he is even supporting them, with calls to 'liberate' three states (all coincidentally with Democrat governors). Politics, self-interest and money taking precedence over life.

I think the rest of the world will remember Trump as the worst president the USA have ever had, and goodness knows they have had some corkers over the last 50 years.

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biker1  
#176 Posted : 20 April 2020 14:13:43(UTC)
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Further reflections. I like to keep abreast of the news on the net. Why is it that most of it seems to consist of self-obsessed bimbos flashing themselves, or flashing their expensive rings, or giving us a tour of their multi-million pound mansions? Does anyone with more than two brain cells actually care about these self-centred, self-publicising wannabes? Are the latest couplings/fallouts of Love Island 'stars' of any interest to real people? I've never heard of most of them, and frankly don't want to. Fiddling whilst Rome burns?

I have a forlorn hope that the current COVID crisis might, just might, re-focus society on what is important.

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chris.packham  
#177 Posted : 21 April 2020 16:56:01(UTC)
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Biker1 - I think a problem will be that different people have different ideas as to what is important. They tend to develop their view based on their personal likes and dislikes. Just consider the problem with lockdown and those who felt this was not important to them. You might just have a problem getting a consensus in the U.K., let alone across the continent or world! (Trump comes to mind here.)

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Roundtuit  
#178 Posted : 21 April 2020 18:25:06(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Console yourself with the thought that had Social Media personalities and the like been around at the time Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy was written you can bet they would have been placed on board the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet - Ship B

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Roundtuit  
#179 Posted : 21 April 2020 18:25:06(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Console yourself with the thought that had Social Media personalities and the like been around at the time Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy was written you can bet they would have been placed on board the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet - Ship B

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#180 Posted : 22 April 2020 07:56:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

Console yourself with the thought that had Social Media personalities and the like been around at the time Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy was written you can bet they would have been placed on board the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet - Ship B


But don’t forget the rest died from a poorly sanitised phone, how apt.

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Roundtuit  
#181 Posted : 22 April 2020 20:34:02(UTC)
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Roundtuit

should we include the telephone (and latterly keyboard) sanitisers in the Thursday clap?

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Roundtuit  
#182 Posted : 22 April 2020 20:34:02(UTC)
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Roundtuit

should we include the telephone (and latterly keyboard) sanitisers in the Thursday clap?

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gsgeek  
#183 Posted : 22 April 2020 20:46:22(UTC)
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coronavirus making huge impact on the economy all over the world and all countries have to suffer a lot due to this pandemic. 

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Andrew W Walker  
#184 Posted : 23 April 2020 07:43:59(UTC)
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Just seen a post on LinkedIn that B&Q have started to open stores again- the staff will be using these:

https://www.versoshield.com/

Interesting...

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A Kurdziel  
#185 Posted : 23 April 2020 08:17:45(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Originally Posted by: Andrew W Walker Go to Quoted Post

Just seen a post on LinkedIn that B&Q have started to open stores again- the staff will be using these:

https://www.versoshield.com/

So is there any evidence that these masks actually work against coronavirus (as oppose to something that may or may not act like this virus)?

Will staff be trained to put them on properly, take them off properly, sanitise them properly and store them properly? Will B&Q retain sufficient stocks in each store so that if they get damaged or lost then they will be immediately replaced?  Will staff have to pay for them?

Is this just that old “biosafety theatre again”?

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chris42  
#186 Posted : 23 April 2020 08:27:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

should we include the telephone (and latterly keyboard) sanitisers in the Thursday clap?


Well if you want to clap for phone sanitisers, go for it. However, didn’t the ark crash in cave men times, so they are probably not around anymore and if they were would probably still be trying to decide what colour fire should be. Ironically, in the story all the B****** useless people were blasted into space and ended up the only survivors of that race.

Thing is we all know that they would have put H&S people on the B ark.

Mind you when I listen to the 5 pm updates I wonder if their descendants are in charge now, with inability to organise or plan, and completely unable / unwilling to answer the question asked.

Last night they finally admitted that a vaccine is at least a calendar year away. The way I see it most people will have had it by then and built up their own immunity or sadly died. They are also saying that some restrictions will remain until a vaccine is produced. Makes you wonder if we should all just go and get it, to get it over with and let the dice fall where it does (ok don’t all volunteer me at once). It is not as if a treatment is around the corner either. Additionally, would you want a vaccine or treatment that has not been tested as rigorously as previously?

Chris

Edited by user 23 April 2020 11:51:05(UTC)  | Reason: Descendants not ancestors doh

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biker1  
#187 Posted : 23 April 2020 12:01:48(UTC)
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Makes you wonder - just what do we have politicians for? They are useless at getting anything done, they can't answer a straight question with a straight answer, and all they can do is make stirring speeches (and even those are written for them). It's no good the new opposition leader criticising the government, we all suspect they wouldn't have done a remotely better job.

Do I detect that some businesses are sneaking back to work? Economic considerations starting to take over, methinks.

I fear the softly, softly approach taken so far to lockdown and social distancing will soon hit the skids big time. They need to be enforced, not 'come on now guys, break it up'. The threat of fines just doesn't cut it, especially at the pathetically low level these have been set. You would get fined far more for not having a TV licence than spreading a deadly disease.

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Roundtuit  
#188 Posted : 24 April 2020 09:04:03(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The Americans have them to give "some very very bad advice" to paraphrase the Potus.

Latest in the saga (conspiracy theorists consider if their is a link) Dr Rick Bright ousted from heading up vaccine investigations for questioning hydroxychloroquine as a "remedy" after it is has been touted by Trump (and has led to at least one reported death and one poisoning).

Trump now talks of injecting disinfectant and exposing patients to UV radiation. Please take that nuclear button away from him before he picks up on any information that radiation can be used to sterilise.

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Roundtuit  
#189 Posted : 24 April 2020 09:04:03(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The Americans have them to give "some very very bad advice" to paraphrase the Potus.

Latest in the saga (conspiracy theorists consider if their is a link) Dr Rick Bright ousted from heading up vaccine investigations for questioning hydroxychloroquine as a "remedy" after it is has been touted by Trump (and has led to at least one reported death and one poisoning).

Trump now talks of injecting disinfectant and exposing patients to UV radiation. Please take that nuclear button away from him before he picks up on any information that radiation can be used to sterilise.

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biker1  
#190 Posted : 24 April 2020 10:28:15(UTC)
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Yes, a jaw dropping moment from the idiot Trump on injecting disinfectant or putting UV light inside the body. He really doesn't understand anything remotely medical or scientific, only the need to protect his investments and re-election chances. There will inevitably be loads of people shooting up Domestos, and filling up the currently nearly empty A&E departments. I think the 25th amendment provides the means to remove a sitting president; I suggest it is high time this was used before this imbecile kills everyone off.

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Kate  
#191 Posted : 24 April 2020 10:54:57(UTC)
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Kate

To be fair, he was suggesting these ideas as subjects for medical research, not recommending them as self-treatments for people to adopt.

But yes, he does somehow manage to continue to surprise me.

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biker1  
#192 Posted : 24 April 2020 11:15:15(UTC)
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Granted, but firstly, no medical person is going to even contemplate research on injecting/imbibing disinfectant, or shoving UV lights inside the body. They are absurd suggestions. Secondly, to suggest the possibility of doing so is going to be taken as gospel by some people. The HSE got into trouble for this kind of thing way back, when they made suggestions on inspection visits, which companies instigated at great expense for no benefit, and said companies then tried to sue the HSE on the basis that suggestions from an authoritative body would be taken very seriously and acted on. Considering the number of Americans who are currrently kicking off about restrictions, it does not take a stretch of the imagination to envisage loads of them trying it to kill off the virus. He has championed hydroxy-chloroquine as a miracle cure, despite a lack of evidence of effectiveness and people dying from taking it. He then states he is not a doctor - no you're not, Mr Trump, so keep your gob shut on things you obviously know nothing about.

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Roundtuit  
#193 Posted : 24 April 2020 11:28:03(UTC)
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major manufacturers have now been forced to post advice on Social Media informing people NOT to follow Trump suggestion. Don't know which is more dangerous the mouthpiece or the platforms perpetuating and promoting stupidity which of course should anyone die it would not be their fault.
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Roundtuit  
#194 Posted : 24 April 2020 11:28:03(UTC)
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major manufacturers have now been forced to post advice on Social Media informing people NOT to follow Trump suggestion. Don't know which is more dangerous the mouthpiece or the platforms perpetuating and promoting stupidity which of course should anyone die it would not be their fault.
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#195 Posted : 24 April 2020 12:36:12(UTC)
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He is also touting sunlight as a cure, which will further encourage the idiot objectors to lockdown to break restrictions; either that, or the sales of sunbeds will soar. His incompetence, arrogance and self-interest are truly frightening. As someone else said, please take the big red button away from him immediately.

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#196 Posted : 24 April 2020 13:19:05(UTC)
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Apparently there already has been a substantial number of deaths through poisoning in the US due to excessive use of disinfectants to disinfect everything in the home. I wonder how many will now follow the 'great leader's' advice.

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biker1  
#197 Posted : 24 April 2020 15:29:27(UTC)
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The White House are rushing to defend/justify what he said. Unbelievable.

Looking at the news online, it seems that defiance of lockdown advice is rapidly rising, and the roads are filling up again. Mixed messages from Matt Hancock (or 'Hancock's half hour', as I call it - older members will understand that), on the one hand saying the lockdown continues, then stating that a lot of businesses were never asked to close down. He might as well give the go ahead for everything to open up again. Another minister completely out of his depth. We can now look forward to the second wave of infections before we've got on top of the first one. What an insult to the NHS.

For goodness sake, put the WI in charge of the country, our moden generation of politicians haven't a clue.

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peter gotch  
#198 Posted : 24 April 2020 16:55:08(UTC)
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Enterprising ice cream van in our street today. Not sure whether this was one of the businesses told to shut down.

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aud  
#199 Posted : 24 April 2020 20:41:01(UTC)
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aud

Ice cream vans not listed to close in Corona Regs, I guess they are a form of 'takeaway'.

More businesses are getting back to work - some took a precautionary principle and closed even though they did not need to, but have taken the time to work out and implement different approaches to maintaining physical distancing in terms of engineering (screens), systems (rotas, breaks) or obtain PPE. People who might have commuted by public transport will probably drive if possible. Additional government guidance for manufacturing, construction etc issued today. Low key push to move towards a new normal?

The face visors B&Q have opted for may not have a proven protection factor, but surely better than nothing and the science is playing catch-up and changing almost daily. Looks to me like a reasonably practicable option to divert aerosol flow and thus limit - not eliminate - virus transfer via the air. 

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Kim Hedges on 25/04/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#200 Posted : 25 April 2020 20:42:46(UTC)
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Well "up Norf" we have Ice Cream Vendors railing against councils who perceive that the street vendor licence no longer applies during the current outbreak. Delivery (like private hire) must be against a telephoned booking.

RIDDOR is bad enough without the local jobs worth interpretation of what regulations mean (TBF they never read and comprehend the text just pick out the words that give them the POWER).

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#201 Posted : 25 April 2020 20:42:46(UTC)
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Well "up Norf" we have Ice Cream Vendors railing against councils who perceive that the street vendor licence no longer applies during the current outbreak. Delivery (like private hire) must be against a telephoned booking.

RIDDOR is bad enough without the local jobs worth interpretation of what regulations mean (TBF they never read and comprehend the text just pick out the words that give them the POWER).

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#202 Posted : 25 April 2020 22:48:37(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Saturday night, 25/4/20.

The UK death rate has just past 20,000+ confirmed cases that have died in hospital. 

There is a suspected 10,000 other people who may have passed away in their homes, in nursing homes, residential care homes and other places.  All these people have not been tested and there is no emphasis on testing the dead.   

Testing is still not sufficient – 5 weeks after this lockdown started.  The Government is insisting that only people with suspected symptoms may have a test.  There is no antibody test – yet.  The most recent update from the World Health Organisation is that people who may have had C19, can still catch it again.  So antibody testing may seem futile, as the ‘health passport’ idea would be a waste of paper.

All the figures are 24 hours behind.  813 people died yesterday.  We may have lowered the curve, but the deaths rates are still too high to contemplate anything else but lockdown.  

Meanwhile there are 16,411 people suffering the illness in hospitals, although nothing has been said about numbers in the Nightingale Field Hospitals.  Little has been said or described on the news channels as to how patients are moved around as resources change.

It is thought the Covid19 virus has mutated 30 times now, which would explain why some people get through it better than others and how different the symptoms and effects can be.  Some with underlying health conditions can be taken quickly, others hang on longer, and some get better.  Some have a mild cold and flu, of coughing and sneezing, some have a series of stomach cramps, but all those who die in hospital, usually on a ventilator, die whilst unconscious and without family members being present – one reason why some may choose not to contact a hospital, preferring to die at home.   

In recent research and there is lots of research going on worldwide, nicotine appears to be beneficial, so for once, smokers have something in their favour.

The daily Mickey and Donald show has kept us entertained – injecting disinfectant, which kills everything.  A statement from Dettol was quickly made public stating that ingesting household cleaners is dangerous and should not be done.   This is like science fiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

Meanwhile, the world will enter a recession soon, as countries have spent so much money and it all needs to be paid back, so 7 or 8 years to get back to BC (Before Covid19) levels, oh joy.  

stevedm  
#203 Posted : 27 April 2020 07:33:38(UTC)
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stevedm

....best response to a request siting COVID-19...

whilst waiting for 45 minutes on the phone with O2...reading the latest COVID -19 rapid risk assessment from ECDC (Yes I am that sad)...finally got to an operator who told me (bear in mind I'm a key worker) that they couldn't reset my voucher code as it wasn't essential work and that I had to call back on 30 April.....It did make me laugh... :)

By some of the comments here I'm not sure anyone but me reads this so thought I would post a copy..

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/rapid-risk-assessment-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-pandemic-ninth-update

biker1  
#204 Posted : 27 April 2020 10:30:39(UTC)
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Well, the entertainment from the USA just goes on. After trying to bluff his way out of the disinfectant clanger, which convinced no-one, Trump has now thrown a hissy fit - he's not going to talk to the press again, they're just being nasty. Then posts a tweet having a go about them, confusing the Nobel and Pullitzer prize, and not even spelling Nobel properly. Perhaps he can add semi-literacy to his list of talents.

UK government's latest brainwave is to allow people to have a cluster of up to ten people, family and friends, who they can socialise with, but who cannot take part in any other cluster. Haven't thought this one through, have you guys? How on earth is this going to be monitored, let alone enforced? It will put the police in an impossible position. Never mind, Boris is back, so all of our trouble are over (!). Well, it will be the one time in his political life that he might actually know what he's talking about.

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#205 Posted : 27 April 2020 11:06:19(UTC)
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That would be unfair on the semi-literate.
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#206 Posted : 27 April 2020 11:06:19(UTC)
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That would be unfair on the semi-literate.
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biker1  
#207 Posted : 27 April 2020 11:49:16(UTC)
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Not to mention some of the American people, protesting about lockdown. One of them had a poster saying 'I want my life back', don't suppose she would see the irony in that.

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biker1  
#208 Posted : 28 April 2020 11:37:06(UTC)
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Well, the Trump saga just rumbles on. Yesterday, first he wasn't going to hold a briefing, then he was. Watched it, very short, looked a bit stage managed to me regarding press questions. His usual campaign talk, telling us all about how well he'd done. Today, he's adamant that he takes no responsibility for the surge in disinfectant issues. His behaviour would be unbelievable if I hadn't seen and heard it. Please tell me they're not going to re-elect this imbecile.

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Kim Hedges on 05/05/2020(UTC)
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#209 Posted : 28 April 2020 13:08:36(UTC)
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Thought I'd pen a few comments about this pandemic. As a consultant, it's been very revealing about my clients, some have gone out of their way to make work for me others have told me to stay away. And to be fair I had my clients wrong, the ones I thought would cut me off haven't and those that I thought would keep me going haven't. The FM company who have been doing a lot of work for local constabulary and the NHS have cut me off and now the MD is offering advice to the engrs. Very strange.

I have a neighbour whose daughter lives away, but showed some symptoms of the virus, so the first she did was rush home to parents house, came from a university town to a sleepy country village. Didn't isolate but went for daily walks with parents, who seem really ambivolent of the whole issue.

1 of my clients managers still lives at home with his parents but is now working from home. He lives with them Mon-Fri but then visits his girlfriend over the weekend. Doesn't seem to bother him that his parents are elderly and he's putting them at risk.

Then in my hometown, local business man lives with wife and son, decided to have a garden party over the weekend and invite another 9 or 10 people over.

It infuriates me people aren't taking this lockdown seriously, the longer they ignore it and don't comply the longer it will last.

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