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peter gotch  
#121 Posted : 04 April 2020 15:09:49(UTC)
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peter gotch

To add to Roundtuit's observation, apparently even if the item has been made in a Communist country for a US based multinational and to whatever US buyer pays the topmost dollar (even if their name says Spiv).

Edited by user 05 April 2020 11:00:45(UTC)  | Reason: Fixed typo

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Kim Hedges on 04/04/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#122 Posted : 04 April 2020 15:33:47(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Personally speaking, I'm not a Doctor nor Epidemiologist.  So Covid-19 is a Biological agent, it has spread unchecked worldwide within 3 months, nowhere is 'safe'.  The observations that it is fairly stable (as in it is not mutating that fast) is still unclear, as allegedly the original strain has not been isolated or the Chinese State have not told us the truth! 

Saying that, it has mutated a little, as it has been reported that there may be 5 or 7 strains of the virus, which have allowed different levels of sickness and the virus has survived.

Now wearing a mask is pretty pointless for the average member of the public, because it is more than likely that everyone has already been infected.  If you are coughing and sneezing, it could be allergies or a cold or something else, maybe even a normal flu, it is not likely to be covid19 as the reported symptoms are different.

Common sense appears to have been completely side stepped and ignored, if the virus is everywhere in all places, wearing a mask will not make you or anyone else any safer, the virus is already in you and everybody else and probably on most surfaces and clothing, a bit like all those other bacteria that live on our world.  So if you are likely to sneeze or cough, use a tissue or the crook of your arm.  Wash your hands and face often.  Wash your clothing.  This is thought why Japan has such few deaths, cleanliness, hand washing.   

PPE only becomes mandatory when the loading of cases increases, such as places that do the tests, service patients in hospital, transport suspected cases, transport the dead, as the numbers of virus carriers increases, making the disease much more active, this is why medics, nurses and doctors are more likely to get it, if they do not have full PPE.  

It is still not confirmed as to why some people get it, some people get a milder infection and some people die.  Could it be linked to our own version of DNA - are we more susceptible to it or is it the loading of the virus, which is why clusters of cases is such a concern.  So a care home has already sick and vulnerable people in it, this virus seems to affect them more or so it seems.  This virus appears to be similar to TB (tuberculosis) it attacks the lungs, same symptoms, lots of phlegm and a labored sense of breathing.  

It has not been confirmed yet whether like TB, sputum (saliva) can contain the virus, the swabbing of the mouth and nose for testing, swabs the skin, but nothing has been said about the saliva.  There has been talk about coughing and sneezing, but the product of that is what – saliva?

So my next observation is why has the UK not done any disinfection of the country?

Roundtuit  
#123 Posted : 04 April 2020 19:28:50(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Which toxic and corrosive chemical would you propose we use to kill our water treatment plants, poison rivers and cause damage to ground waters? That is the ultimate effect of the widespread and wasteful dispersal of disinfectants in sufficient quantity and concentration to complete the task you envisage.
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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
peter gotch  
#124 Posted : 05 April 2020 10:58:51(UTC)
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peter gotch

...with the added QQ of 

1. How soon would a sanitised nation soon become recontaminated?

2. What impact would this have on all the other species on the planet (including all the bacteria etc that we rely on for good health)?

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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
Ian Bell2  
#125 Posted : 05 April 2020 11:28:18(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

There are certainly some odd ideas and comments throughout this post by the original starter. Not to mention simply repeating data we can all find via the media outlets.   

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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#126 Posted : 06 April 2020 10:16:46(UTC)
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biker1

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

What we need to do is the avoidance of browsing, where people go into shop to look things, pick up um and then buy something they don’t really want. About half of the clothes bought in shops are only worn once or never worn at all.  People should know what they want, go in and buy it. Then get out.  This will mean the end of retail therapy which is a good thing and I will never again have to be asked “Does my bum look big in this”

As to DIY not being available; I can live with that!  

 

So, we go to the male version of shopping, where the focus is to know what you want, go in and get it, and get out as fast as you can.

Adding to the Trump folly files, he is encouraging citizens to wear masks, but he won't be wearing one, because he doesn't want to. So much for leading by example. He has also had a second test, 'just for curiosity' - isn't he the lucky one? At a time when they have carried out a pathetically small number of tests, this is surely adding insult to injury.

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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
Marble  
#127 Posted : 07 April 2020 10:59:51(UTC)
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Marble

Biker, I'm female but that's my idea of a good shopping trip too :-)

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biker1  
#128 Posted : 07 April 2020 16:00:46(UTC)
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biker1

Quite worrying about Boris Johnson being in intensive care. Not a great fan of his, I have to say, but I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

Well, the Easter weekend approaching, and fine weather forecast. I'm dreading it, as a proportion of the population just don't seem to be listening to advice and instructions. Some people are still sunbathing in the parks and having barbecues on the beaches. What is wrong with these people? My eldest and her husband are both nurses, and still working, and I take it as an insult to them that there are still people around behaving like d***heads. Not only are they putting the rest of the population at risk, but specifically the police who have to try and control them.

Shut and lock the parks and bring in the army. It really is time to get tough with these idiots. If they carry on, we'll all end up completely confined to home for weeks, not to mention sacrificing the progress we've made so far on controlling the spread of the virus.

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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
peter gotch  
#129 Posted : 07 April 2020 17:57:05(UTC)
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peter gotch

Not quite sure exactly why, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had posted new guidance yesterday on the CDC website with a rather muted recommendation to use cloth face coverings when in public and when maintaining social distancing (6 feet in the US) is difficult, as a voluntary precaution. But CDC remain clear that proper PPE should be targeted towards those in high risk situations.

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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#130 Posted : 07 April 2020 21:37:41(UTC)
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Roundtuit

If the professionals are demanding "adequate" PPE then Joe Public will obviously want something, psychologically they need something, so in the absence of adequate supply......

Whilst it is wrong to fratenise at this time the suggestion of shutting public spaces, invoking a total lock down, moving to a "police" state is IMHO an INSULT to the memory of all those who had long since given their lives for our current freedoms from tyrany and oppression.

Just for once lets have societal law serving society and the selfish (by high example the Scottish Health Advisor) getting their personal come uppance without any recourse to "personal" rights being an immediate guinea pig for any vaccine testing or sent to work as a porter on the wards WITHOUT PPE? Maybe that barbeuce will finally seem less inviting. The line form Gilbert & Sullivan's Mikado is quite apt "Let the punishment fit the crime" so break isolation and society will remove you from isolation.

BTW eventually we will have to be outside intermingling with each other, we will still be catching and transmitting Covid. we will still be seeing loved ones die. The only difference is that hopefully (after all that is the UK governments stated tactic to "delay" the spread) there will be enough equipment and specialist staff to serve eveyone who subsequently gets taken to hospital.

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Kim Hedges on 07/04/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#131 Posted : 08 April 2020 00:22:25(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Yes this post rambles a bit and I've mentioned a few odd things, but it's definately not as weird as President Trumps ramblings.  I used to think he could be a breath of fresh air for democracy in America, but so many of his fake facts and downright lies on nearly everything he says is just plain annoying , whilst he talks in the C19 US press briefings. 

I like statistics, especially when they are recent.  So the USA has lost 11,700 people so far and just yesterday lost 731 in New York alone.  Meanwhile, Britain which in theory should be a week plus ahead of the USA has lost 786 yesterday and 6159 in total.  Meaning, the USA should have started a lockdown 2 weeks ago and stopped the Spring Break from happening - which appears to have boosted the spread in America. 

As for the comment about tyranny and freedom and parks being closed - OK, good, close all the parks and stop this stupid notion that it is OK to go out for anything other than work or food.  You want to do exercise, do some push-ups in your bedroom.  

Everybody should be Ordered to stay at home.  No exceptions.  If your found abroad, without those 2 reasons, you should be arrested and jailed, no bail.  This is not normal times. 

Yes, I am just to the right of Atilla the Hun. 

  

biker1  
#132 Posted : 08 April 2020 10:20:44(UTC)
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biker1

Two interesting perspectives from Roundtuit and Kim. I don't see restrictions on public gatherings, and parks and beaches are obvious places for this to apply, as an insult to those who fought for our freedom. Rather, such restrictions should be viewed as our own contribution to the fight for freedom, from death. It is worth remembering that there were significant restrictions on personal freedom during the second world war, when we were indeed fighting for freedom but required to make some personal sacrifices in the fight.

I wouldn't advocate a total lockdown that prevented people taking exercise outside, and in my experience recently people are observing good social distancing during this, but I fear that the actions of a minority of idiots might make that necessary.

Putting front line workers at risk, and indeed assaulting them as has happened recently, should be dealt with in the harshest way possible - such people don't deserve to be at liberty in a civilised society. Convert one of the empty conference centres into a mass jail, and herd them all in there - they are obviously not bothered about catching COVID, so there you go guys (I would suggest a remote Scottish island, but I don't see why we should inflict them on it). I do think we need to get the army involved - the police just don't have the resources thanks to successive cuts by our government.

Latest episode in the Trump folly files is an executive order giving them unfettered access to mining rights on the moon and other places in space, not to mention rolling back environmental protection in the USA. The arrogance and stupidity of the leadership knows no bounds.

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Kim Hedges on 08/04/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#133 Posted : 08 April 2020 14:33:58(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Nice Biker1.  The trump follies continue to be a source of consternation to anybody who can think for themselves.  I cannot fathom the US Navy Department's head (and probably right up to the CinC), for removing that Carrier Captain, after the covid19 outbreak on his ship.  To me it sounded like he was not given any support by the Navy - which is why he ended up talking to the press. 

Meanwhile I saw an interview yesterday with Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House) speaking and the gulf between these senior government officials is scary and the lies continue.  From what has been said in the last week, the supplies of PPE put aside in warehouses and new stocks replenished under P. Bush and then           P. Obama, were not continued by P. Trump.  Added to the short sighted approach to this risk mitigation was that nobody thought to stockpile hospital beds and ward equipment, let alone respirators and ventilators. 

I have many American friends, whom I served with in Iraq and a couple from when I served in the British forces from 1976 to 1996, so yes I know a little bit about freedom and liberty.  

So the British Subjects (note Subjects not citizens) have been asked to STAY AT HOME, when not at work or getting food and medicine.  It's not that hard really.  

I am pleased to read the most recent update from the HSE regarding the reporting of covid19 amongst our brave workers everywhere, who continue to work despite the risks of contracting a life threatening disease and the weeks of terrible illness it can bring.  

More good news, I heard on the TV last night, that Bristol University working with a company, has found a possible vaccine for covid19, still very early days, but it's something positve in these dark days. 

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