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BenjiVilla  
#1 Posted : 25 November 2021 10:07:12(UTC)
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BenjiVilla

Good morning all, in short, after I was forced to close my used car sales business due to the impact of Covid I have had to reconsider my future. I have decided to pursue a career as a Fire Risk Assessor. I'm about to take the plunge and purchase the NEBOSH Fire Safety Course however before I do I wanted to ask a few questions, any help or advice would be very much appreciated;

1. Considering I have no experience within the sector, will this hinder me? 2. What is the best method of gaining experience in performing risk assessements, offering them for free to gain a portfolio? 3. I am based in the North West and there are very few, if any, employed positions available so is it possible to be a self-employed risk assessor?

Many thanks,

Ben

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 25 November 2021 10:35:51(UTC)
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Roundtuit

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/building-safety-bill

You may wish to do a bit of light reading first as there is a new bill going before parliament that will be setting the rules and competencies for the future

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/building-safety-bill-factsheets/amendments-to-the-regulatory-reform-fire-safety-order-2005-factsheet

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 25 November 2021 10:35:51(UTC)
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Roundtuit

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/building-safety-bill

You may wish to do a bit of light reading first as there is a new bill going before parliament that will be setting the rules and competencies for the future

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/building-safety-bill-factsheets/amendments-to-the-regulatory-reform-fire-safety-order-2005-factsheet

BenjiVilla  
#4 Posted : 25 November 2021 10:42:37(UTC)
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BenjiVilla

Immediately I know the answer to my question = no!

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 25 November 2021 14:47:57(UTC)
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firesafety101

Roundtoit I just read that fact sheet and it does not go into competencies for persons carrying out fire risk assessment.

As there is no specific rules/requirements that I can see anyone undertaking a course of fire risk assessment training by acredited organisation can do fire risk assessments.

I would think the NEBOSH course is ok also other training organisations like Warrington Fire.com and the Fire Protection Association and the Fire Service College.  Apologies to all the other organisations I haven't mentioned.

I also think the NVQ route is very good as you work as you learn and you are checked out regularly.

Nobody should be put off by the requirements as we all started with nothing and learned as we went along.

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BenjiVilla on 25/11/2021(UTC)
BenjiVilla  
#6 Posted : 25 November 2021 15:12:58(UTC)
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BenjiVilla

Originally Posted by: firesafety101 Go to Quoted Post

Roundtoit I just read that fact sheet and it does not go into competencies for persons carrying out fire risk assessment.

As there is no specific rules/requirements that I can see anyone undertaking a course of fire risk assessment training by acredited organisation can do fire risk assessments.

I would think the NEBOSH course is ok also other training organisations like Warrington Fire.com and the Fire Protection Association and the Fire Service College.  Apologies to all the other organisations I haven't mentioned.

I also think the NVQ route is very good as you work as you learn and you are checked out regularly.

Nobody should be put off by the requirements as we all started with nothing and learned as we went along.

Thanks firesafety101, my main concern is doing the course and then being stuck because I have no experience, unless I can find a "trainee" position. I do know an active firefighter who may have options for me in regards to completing assessments whilst being self employed.
peter gotch  
#7 Posted : 25 November 2021 17:05:51(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Ben

I think that it would be very risky to try and set yourself up as a fire risk assessor at a time when the competence of people doing such work is under scrutiny.

For several years, lots of firms and individuals have done well out of doing templated fire risk assessments (just like templated asbestos surveys and other [health and] safety-related consultancy).

But what was done at Grenfell showed the cracks both in the approach and simply following the minimum guidelines as to what should be included in a fire risk assessment. The assessor had a hard time at the Inquiry.

I agree entirely with firesafety101 that we all have to start somewhere, but think you should be looking to find a job in which you have the day to day support of a mentor - and where they are at least equally responsible for issues of e.g. Professional Indemnity Insurance. All about the assessor knowing what falls within their existing competence, what they can competently do whilst learning on the job and when to decline work - as you are not competent and pose risk both to client and yourself.

Possibly you might be better advised to get a trainee job in a broader health and safety adviser/consultant role and, if fire safety is what gives you a buzz, specialise in fire from H&S, rather than jumping straight to fire consultancy.

....and with or without experience, just doing NEBOSH Fire (or something similar) is only going to set you up for the simplest end of fire risk assessments - it isn't going to give you a detailed understanding of building standards and fire engineering issues, nor even the learned experience that former fire fighters can apply to work in fire consultancy.

Good luck whatever you decide, P

chocolatekittykatt  
#8 Posted : 26 November 2021 08:40:00(UTC)
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chocolatekittykatt

In line with others comments thus far, there are training providers that do courses on Regulatory Reform Order - C.S Todd - 4.5 day course - is also approved by certificating bodies (NSI/ BAFE) should you wish to gain additional approvals (SP205).

I have done this course and also one by another provider 'Vulcan Fire Training' - both the same in principal yet totally different. It may also benefit you to attend other support courses such as FIA access to foundation/ Foundation and IFEDA extinguisher courses... any anything and everything else that the reform order covers (emergency lighting etc)

They have made PAS79 a British Standard now (PAS79-1:2020) for non-domestic properties and PAS79-2 for domestic properties.

Not sure whether it will help but i should be looking for a new starter in the new year that can/ or wants to do Fire RAs but will also have other elements of H&S, technical compliance to life safety & security systems as well as H&S inspections out on construction sites

I cant comment on NEBOSH fire, i have done NEBOSH construction & Enviromental and when i aske dthe tutor about the fire, he said that as im in the ndustry and with my other fire related courses it would probably be wasted on me - so suggest you choose the broader NEBOSH in H&S... then choose discipline specific courses to bolster your knowledge :)

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BenjiVilla on 26/11/2021(UTC)
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 26 November 2021 11:27:00(UTC)
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firesafety101

6 August 2021 

BSI, in its role as the UK National Standards Body, will revise PAS 79-2:2020, Fire risk assessment, Housing, Code of practice, as a British Standard.

In March 2021, BSI temporarily suspended PAS 79-2:2020 and removed it from sale. During the suspension, the Steering Group reviewed the voluntary code of practice as new information about Personal Emergency Evacuation Plans (PEEPS) emerged from the Grenfell Tower Inquiry and the Government’s response to it. The Steering Group have agreed a full revision should be undertaken as a British Standard. The PAS has been withdrawn whilst the British Standard is in development.

Are we saying the requirements of the Blue guide to fire risk assessments will be obsolete or will it still be The Guide after PAS 79-2 is issued.  I always thought it was one or the other.

Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 26 November 2021 12:04:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: firesafety101 Go to Quoted Post
I just read that fact sheet and it does not go into competencies for persons carrying out fire risk assessment.

Concur, merely highlighting that post Grenfell change is coming the regulator hasn't put pen to paper as to what form it will take but a common theme has centred on the word "competency"

Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 26 November 2021 12:04:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: firesafety101 Go to Quoted Post
I just read that fact sheet and it does not go into competencies for persons carrying out fire risk assessment.

Concur, merely highlighting that post Grenfell change is coming the regulator hasn't put pen to paper as to what form it will take but a common theme has centred on the word "competency"

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