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Lee45403  
#1 Posted : 29 January 2024 12:11:59(UTC)
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Lee45403

Does anyone have any advice or guidance on HSE Apprenticeships? 

- benefits?

- pitfalls?

- things to watch out for?

- success in recruiting?

- NEBOSH Gen cert?

- Apprenticeships vs H&S assistant?

- IOSH thoughts on career paths?

When I started out, my first job was as an H&S Assistant, but I had a degree in Env Health. Is it necessary to have a degree in a entry level?

Thank you in anticipation. 

Gemma

M.cooper.99  
#2 Posted : 29 January 2024 15:02:54(UTC)
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M.cooper.99

Hi Gemma,

I'm currently on the IOSH level 3 HSE apprenticeship course and am happy to answer any questions you might have.

Benefits:

The benefits on the apprenticeship, I think, will highly depend on your employer. The apprenticeship course will teach you plenty of the theory, like how to make a risk assessment, the components of a H&S management system, how to conduct an investigation etc. But the true benefits will come from guided application in the workplace, where you are likely expected to have little H&S knowledge.

The apprenticeship also sets you up to make a potential big impact on the workplace and give you a chance to get some valuable experience. As part of the apprenticeship, you will have to manage a project that makes an improvement to the workplace. What that is will be completely up to you. 

Once finished you will have x amount of years experience and a qualification, which will help you look for new employment.

Pitfalls:

As an apprentice your pay will likely be quite low.

Apprenticeships are heavily dependent on your employer. Your employer must give you so many hours of training throughout your apprenticeship. If you don't get those hours of training, you will not be allowed to start the end point assessment. They must give you the ability to complete an improvement project; part of that include having a budget you control. 

The course is all theory and a good employer that gives you the chance to implement anything you learn will be needed to make the most of the apprenticeship.

The NEBOSH General is widely recognised and sometimes appears on job adverts as mandatory. I would personally argue that it isn't necessary, but I'm not the recruiter. 

The apprenticeship takes a while to complete, but a NEBOSH General could be done much sooner depending on your personal circumstances.

Other Comments:

I won't comment any more on the NEBOSH General, as I am only part way through mine. But, you could always do both the apprenticeship and the NEBOSH if you wanted. If you already have experience as a H&S assistant, a NEBOSH might be the way to go. Apprenticeships are designed for people with no experience. Your previous experience and a NEBOSH should be enough to land an entry level job. 

I don't believe a degree is necessary at all, many of the H&S people I have spoken to don't have one. Your degree in environmental health will be a massive bonus when it comes to finding a career in H&S as most employers like to add environment to the role. Also, don't undersell any other work experience you have; many of the good ideas for improvement of H&S come from the people doing the tasks.

Best of luck in your career journey.

Mathew

PS - Apprenticeships come with plenty of deadlines. I have just missed a certain one and I think it's giving a bad impression.

Edited by user 29 January 2024 15:14:32(UTC)  | Reason: PS

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Lee45403  
#3 Posted : 29 January 2024 16:48:33(UTC)
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Lee45403

Thanks Mathew for the quick response, there is surprisingly little info about it and what you have said is a really helpful perspective.I'm an H&S Manager and am growing my team with the growth of the business, hence the debate over apprentice or assistant. I think the company has lots of interesting risk to manage for a small business. I noted your comment regarding a budget & a project - is that something that is sorted for you now? 

The company I work for are very supportive of career growth, we have a number of year in industry placements for engineering roles. 

If you don't mind spending the time I have a couple more questions - 

When you finish what position are you hoping to go into? 

Are you part of an H&S team? How do they support you?

How did you get into the apprenticeship? 

Thank you again. Gemma

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 29 January 2024 18:03:43(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Gemma

Helpful response from Mathew.

My tuppence worth.....

 benefits?

It's ONE entry route.

Personally I think that it helps for anyone entering the OSH profession to have some experience of the world of work before deciding to move into H&S. 

I don't actually think that it matters what that previous experience is.

- pitfalls?

As with just about any entry route it is dependent on having an employer who will let the person stretch but without being thrown to the wolves.

So, given the opportunities to do things that their supervisor might be able to do almost with their eyes closed, but with that supervisor / manager etc making sure that the person has proper oversight and the chance to clear up the mistakes they make.

- things to watch out for?

Mostly as above.

- success in recruiting?

Recruitment of whoever is heavily dependent on getting the job description and person spec right. 

Far too often the JD is either expecting someone with far greater experience and quals than the package on offer OR is just a load of waffle.

...and the person specs are often overprescriptive partly as some employers AND specialist recruitment agencies are not up to speed on the options OR have a bias towards/against one option compared to another - hence all those ads which mention NEBOSH sometimes without spelling out what NEBOSH!

- NEBOSH Gen cert?

Only if you want to exclude many suitable candidates.

- Apprenticeships vs H&S assistant?

What's in a name UNLESS this is actually a formal Apprenticeship.

- IOSH thoughts on career paths?

Employers shouldn't think that IOSH knows all the answers and nor should those entering the profession.

Edited by user 29 January 2024 18:45:59(UTC)  | Reason: Additional text

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Lee45403  
#5 Posted : 30 January 2024 15:02:23(UTC)
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Lee45403

Thank you Peter, that is helpful. The company I work for, whilst growing quickly, has a culture of nurturing talent that I'd like to engage with. I was lucky to know what I wanted to do when I left school and I have been in H&S ever since (only experience was a Saturday job waitressing, great transferrable skills!). Again, I've been fortunate enough to have worked in several different industries. I do hear what you're saying, having experience of a workplace before choosing a profession can be useful. 

Your response has given me food for thought regarding the JD and expectations of the individual and the room and support to grow. I feel reassured about the formal apprenticeship route, I have a meeting with the HR Talent Partner tomorrow and feel I have a better perspective on it.   

Thank you both for your comments. 

Gemma

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#6 Posted : 10 April 2024 09:21:23(UTC)
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