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Ian_D  
#1 Posted : 28 April 2025 16:29:31(UTC)
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Ian_D

I work with a client who has had a complaint where a member of the public claims to have scalded herself on a hot drink.  Their coffee machine was broken so they had to make instant coffee using an urn.  It's understood that the drink is likely to have been around 96°C.

This does sound hot.  But, from speaking with another safety professional, a pub-co they used to work at would serve drinks around this temperature.  Converseley - one of my colleagues used to be a barista in a large coffee chain and his recollection was that the max. temp (for drinks) was around 72.

There is no recommended temperature range (that I can find).  My client has a primary authority agreement - they know of no recommended temp. range either.  And there, of course, needs to be a compromise between quality and safety.

The cup, also, had a disclaimer (which is not as important as making sure the drink is served at a reasonable temperature).

Would anyone, who is working in catering, care to share the temperature range they serve hot drinks at (whether that be from urns, espresso bars, etc.)?

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 28 April 2025 19:39:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The temperature is determined by the preparation, not the service. If you research ideal temperatures for brewing hot beverage: coffe is 90 - 96 C although some claim that for instant this "burns" the coffee and often add milk first before the hot water, black tea (Chinese style) is 95 - 98 C, white tea is 80 C, milk for white coffe and hot chocolate is 60 - 70 C

Obviously adding warm milk cools hot coffee - latte to 70 C, cappucino to 60 C

That disclaimer on the cup is to remind the drinker not to immediately take large gulps of liquid - even 80 C is too hot to leave the roof of your mouth in tact.

Beware comments like "had to" - a broken coffee machine is actually an opportunity to say sorry a hot drink is not available at this time. Too often people mistakenly undertake actions that in reality should be avoided.

Unlike a barista does your client have all the equipment (in addition to the water urn) to carefully monitor preparation and service temperatures?

Breaking news it is perfectly acceptable to tell a client or customer NO.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 28 April 2025 19:39:27(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Roundtuit

The temperature is determined by the preparation, not the service. If you research ideal temperatures for brewing hot beverage: coffe is 90 - 96 C although some claim that for instant this "burns" the coffee and often add milk first before the hot water, black tea (Chinese style) is 95 - 98 C, white tea is 80 C, milk for white coffe and hot chocolate is 60 - 70 C

Obviously adding warm milk cools hot coffee - latte to 70 C, cappucino to 60 C

That disclaimer on the cup is to remind the drinker not to immediately take large gulps of liquid - even 80 C is too hot to leave the roof of your mouth in tact.

Beware comments like "had to" - a broken coffee machine is actually an opportunity to say sorry a hot drink is not available at this time. Too often people mistakenly undertake actions that in reality should be avoided.

Unlike a barista does your client have all the equipment (in addition to the water urn) to carefully monitor preparation and service temperatures?

Breaking news it is perfectly acceptable to tell a client or customer NO.

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