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#1 Posted : 15 September 2003 12:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Billy Cassidy
Need help with 2 questions that are part of pre-course assessment for Post-Grad Certificate. Any help greatly appreciated!

1. Identify a cause of accidents that is not presently subject to specific statutory requirements?

2. Outline a question regarding a health and safety matter that you should NOT put to a HSE Inspector?

Need this couple to finish!!

Thanks

Billy
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#2 Posted : 15 September 2003 16:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt
DIY

How much they are paid!
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#3 Posted : 15 September 2003 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt
I have to admit, I'm having trouble with these two.

I would have thought the H&S Act and the Management Regs would have covered all eventualities, but I have no doubt you'll get an answer from someone.



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#4 Posted : 15 September 2003 22:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Miriam
Billy.
Q1: I can only think it is referring to causes of accidents in non-workplace situations, e.g. in your own home, etc.
It could also relate to the military, which may be subject to their own Regs.
Q2 Asking an Inspector to be bend the rules; be lenient or even gloss over the facts/truth could be a big 'no-no'. I hope this is of some help.
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#5 Posted : 16 September 2003 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
Billy

Interestingly enough it is not a strict legal requirment to investigate accidents. You do have to revise risk assessments in the light of changing circumstances but there is no statutory duty to produce what most of us would recognise as an accident investigation report.

With regard to your second question I would not ask any inspector an obvious question that a safety adviser should easily know the answer to : like above what height is fall protection required
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#6 Posted : 16 September 2003 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Billy Cassidy
Still having trouble with the first one, second one seems to be along the lines of you shouldn't ask a HSE Inspector a question about something you know of where a direct breach of duty has occurred or where an illegal act has taken place, as it would put him/her in a tricky position and might have to act upon it, rather than just give advice. Somewhere along those lines, I think?

More solutions welcome!!

Thanks to everyone for their contributions.

Billy.
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#7 Posted : 16 September 2003 12:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Teyhan
Billy, my thinking behind the first question would be have to be something that an employer would have no direct control of, the realisation of which could have fatal concequences. Example employees turning up for work under the influence of Drink, Drugs or getting drunk / high during the course of the working day, or mental disorder and misuse of medication.

Predominantley employers place restrictions on employees with regard to Drink and Drugs and are usually controlled by Company OH&S policy, rather than by any legislation I can recall.

The mental health problem could be found out as part of a Health Screening or Monitoring.

As for questioning a Health and Safety inspector in all seriousness why not Phone one up and ask.

I believe you should
stay away from subjects such as parentage!!!

Could they come back later / tomorrow / next week!

Questioning their Credentials or validity for investigation / entery to premises!

Asking them to name of the anonymous whistle blower.

Hope these are of use

Regards

Patrick Teyhan
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#8 Posted : 16 September 2003 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By wayne hodges
can anyone explain what " fire triangle" means ?
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#9 Posted : 17 September 2003 11:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt
For question 1, I read this rather differently. I took specific statutory requirements to mean things like noise, ionising radiation, etc. which have their own regulations. I would have called the management regs and HSAWA general and not specific. If we take that line of meaning then a whole lot of answers become possible, like lasers, vibration, etc.

However, the majority view is going the other way!

Jane
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#10 Posted : 17 September 2003 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Burgess
In response to Waynes question - A fire triangle is used to illustrate the three things (usually) required for a fire to exist. Side 1 - Oxygen, Side 2 - A fuel / something to burn and side 3 - An Inception source / something to start the fire.

So in a real situation say in a Woodworking shop you will have oxygen, waste offcuts or sawdust and a discarded cigarette end thus giving everything you need for a fire to start and develop.

Basic fire prevention is therefore based around separating the sides of the fire triangle. As we can not often remove oxygen we have to concentrate on removing one of the other 'sides' or ensuring adequate separation of the fuel and inception source.
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#11 Posted : 17 September 2003 18:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Billy,

Q1. Heat e.g. heat stress, fatigue etc.

Q2. Unofficial practices (should not mention them to your employer either).

Hopes this helps.

Ray
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#12 Posted : 17 September 2003 21:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
I would suggest that for question 2 it may involve asking a question which, if answered would lead to you incriminating yourself, I.E. the inspector would not reasonably be able to respond to it without cautioning you under PACE, or

Simply the inspector was not qualified to answer it, I.E. legal outcomes, other specialism from inspectors, or involve an area where there is no legally enforcable action they can take, I.E. crown estates...

Good luck...
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#13 Posted : 18 September 2003 08:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt
PACE?
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#14 Posted : 18 September 2003 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Lee
Police And Criminal Evidence Act = PACE
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#15 Posted : 18 September 2003 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt
Thank you.
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